CHAPTER THREE

THREE DIALOGUES

1

Dialogue On Spiritual Aspects Of Sexuality

P: Gentlemen, I was told to present you tonight with three issues. The first issue will relate to sexuality. Be prepared that what follows will be difficult to understand, but in time a full implication of what is going to be said will be obvious and apparent.

As you know, the activators of the negative state have recognized the danger of the proper understanding and practice of sexuality for the establishment of the dominance of the negative state’s processes. Therefore, as you know well, by genetical, magical, and various other secret and mysterious means available to them at that time, of which we have no idea, they forcefully separated sexuality from spirituality, and particularly from the Most High. This act was done so that sexuality would lose its primary purpose to be a means and a tool for the acquirement of greater knowledge of the Most High, from the position of His/Her Absolute transcendence of everything and everyone. Now, this is important. The knowledge about sexuality is available from the position of the Most High being within us, with us, among us, and above us. But no knowledge in this respect is available from the position of the Most High Who transcends everything and everyone. And the only means by which it can be somehow and somewhat intuited is through sexual intercourse, which at the same time, is a tool for the acquirement of greater knowledge of others and oneself from that vitally important position of the Most High’s transcending everything and everyone. This gives an entirely different perspective to the whole concept of sexuality.

One of the major ways, among many others, that the pseudo-creators separated sexuality from spirituality was by proclaiming and infusing a belief system in human minds that sexual intercourse can be holy only in matrimonial relationships, limited only to the marital partner. Or, on the other hand, that sexuality is nothing but filth and dirt and relates only to prostitution, promiscuity, or whoredom and usage by others for some personal, selfish gains or lustful pleasure and purpose. Either of these ways takes away any spirituality of sexuality, and its most direct connection to the Most High — in that absolutely transcending everything and everyone position. Now, this is the crucial point of the mystery of sexuality. The most direct connection to the Most High — I emphasize that because this is a mystery right there — is through sexual intercourse. This is the reason why sexuality and the relationship of femininity and masculinity was a major target of perversion by the pseudo-creators.

In the positive state of the spiritual world, the marital partners are in no way limited to themselves only in their sexual relationship, but instead they are involved in a wide variety of unconditional sharing of everything that they have, which includes, most importantly, their sexuality.

In the true connotation of Divine Love and Divine Wisdom there is no conditional sharing or limited sharing in only one or several areas of one’s life with the certain exclusion of anything else. You know, what kind of sharing is that? I am going to share this with you but I am not going to share that with you because it’s exclusively limited only to that one person. Such a relationship and limited sharing would not be from true unconditional love and wisdom, but from selfishness and self-exclusivity, which is the abomination of hells.

Now, the wide variety of sexual and other sharings in the spiritual world is accomplished primarily in two ways. The first one is that the marital partners, at each moment of their sexual encounter, are always different and are never the same, even as far as their outward appearances are concerned. This prevents an occurrence of the state of becoming habituated and getting used to the same content of a relationship, which usually leads to boredom, and making love from duty rather than from pleasure and the newness of the situation that leads to the birth of exciting new ideas and concepts, in a relationship to the Most High, others and themselves ... ourselves. Thus, in the positive state of the spiritual world one is never subject to losing sexual interest in his or her marital partner as is the case so often in marital partners in the negative state on Earth, where no apparent difference occurs because of stagnant and rigid conditions and clinging to one state and content which repeats itself and becomes a devastating habit. This would lead to a lot of feelings of anxiety, fear and guilt should the habit in any way be altered or changed.

To properly understand a relationship that exists in the positive state of the spiritual world, you can apply, if you wish, the spiritual principle of the hologram here. Everyone reflects and contains everyone in Creation. Since nobody is absolute except for the Most High, no one is able to experience all others in one moment of time simultaneously and synchronously. Because of our relative nature, we can experience various parts of the whole only in continuity and sequence, and subsequent but not proceeding simultaneity of preceding experiences, nor simultaneously succeeding experiences. Otherwise, we would be absolute. This is a little difficult to understand, but if you listen carefully, you will get the point; . . . simply stated, you cannot experience everyone simultaneously. We can experience each other and others only in sequence, in flow, in continuity. From this position, therefore, during each sexual intercourse with the same marital partner, sequentially and successfully in continuity, always new aspects are triggered, which are represented by all others in continuity, simultaneity and synchronicity, even as far as outward form is concerned, meaning that, I’m not making love to the same woman or a woman to the same man because she/he appears entirely different each time. Thus, each sexual encounter is eternally different, exciting and new and it never for eternity can be the same in any way. No boredom, satiation, or letdown, habituation, rigidity or lack of something can ever occur in such a situation as it is in the Spiritual World.

Secondly, sexual intercourse can never be limited to one marital partner only. Why? The reason is that no one person is absolute, and therefore, no one knows oneself and others absolutely or can satisfy one’s essence and substance in an absolute sense. Only the Most High is absolute and knows everyone absolutely. Now, this absolute knowledge is available only through a discreet mode of being and existence that is subsequently applied to the successive continuum. Since the principle is that we all contain each other ad infinitum, and since our various infinite aspects are variously contained in all others, through the presence of the Absolute Most High in all, we can be absolutely contained in all the infinite numbers of all existing sentient entities or specifically in their feminine and masculine characteristics. The absoluteness of the femininity and masculinity of the Most High is reflected in these infinite numbers of relative masculinities and femininities. Their total cumulative sum constitutes their absolute value and contains the Most High in His/Her Absoluteness. This prospectively and potentially allows the absolute knowledge of oneself, others, and the Most High, and particularly one’s marital partner who is present in his/her various aspects in all others. Thus, in making love to other than one’s marital partner, one in fact makes love to one’s marital partner who is contained by some of his/her aspects in that particular individual or individuals; and since the spiritual principle of the Hologram states that one aspect contains the totality of one’s being in existence ... you know that statement “if you know one grain of sand, you know the whole universe”... one does make love to one’s marital partner, because the marital partner is contained in all those infinite numbers of individuals.

However, the opposite is also true. In making love to one’s marital partner, one makes love to all others, as they are all contained in our universal consciousness. And of course, in the higher sense, one truly makes love to the Most High and that’s how you get the knowledge of the Most High.

The quality of the uniqueness of each feminine and masculine manifestation is always different with both the marital partner and other sexual partners. One cannot, by virtue of one’s relativity to the absolute, transmit oneself to the others in the uniquenesses of one’s containment in others — as you are containers — because it is specific and unique to those others. In this way, the uniqueness and individuality of each is eternally preserved. But one can be experienced in the unique quality of other femininities and masculinities in which you are contained in some other than your own unique subjective and specific manifestation. This is the reason why sexual intercourse can never be limited to one marital partner only, although it stems from that eternal union of love and wisdom and femininity and masculinity.

This union cannot be disturbed or strained by one’s involvement with others, but instead it deepens and enriches, enhances and unifies it more because, after all, as pointed out before, one makes love to others in one’s marital partner and to one’s marital partner in others. These arrangements provide all in the positive state with an eternal opportunity for acquirement and application of progressively greater and greater knowledge of the Most High, from that position of transcendence, of others and oneself for mutual benefit, common good and sharing. This is the true spiritual meaning of sexuality.

Now, you can understand why sexuality and its understanding and practice was and is a major target of distortion and mutilation by the negative state. Without repression and obliteration of these meanings of sexuality from the human mind, the activators of the negative state would never succeed in putting the negative state in an active and dominant position, because otherwise there would be continuous conscious inter-connectedness, all with all, and particularly with the Most High. This kind of situation could never lead to the establishment of a negative state, as a separate state and process in being and existence. This is also the reason why the negative state puts such a tremendous and gruesome opposition in people to accept or change anything in their sexual practices other than what is in existence at the present time; particularly using religious means, the Bible, under the deceptive cover that they are the laws of God, in order to prove its point. This is why sexual issues in the negative state on Earth are such a sensitive and emotionally charged problem, even with people who are otherwise spiritually- minded.

Therefore, be warned that the greatest opposition, resistance, condemnation, and fiercest spiritual battles you will encounter will be in this area. This area will be the most stubborn, resistant and rigid to conquer and it will definitely be used by the negative state as a last stronghold of evil and falsities in preventing the establishment of the New Spiritual Age on planet Earth. The negative state will continue to flood and inundate people’s minds with tremendous doubts and guilts about sexual issues; supporting their point with the spread of venereal disease and various sexual perversions and inversions.

The realization, understanding, acceptance and application of these facts about sexuality and the negative state’s tremendous and gruesome mobilization to battle its proper spiritual awareness in the human mind is, at the present time, one of the most crucial, most vital and most fundamental issues to be aware of and to be prepared to combat.

Gentlemen, any questions? This is the first issue.

X: I’d like to propose that we take some time to discuss and share our thoughts and feelings.

P: That is the reason I am ...

X: It’s clear to me that the Revelation regarding sexuality is one of the most important and really key aspects of the New Revelation, and I’m happy to say that I find the New Revelation regarding sexuality very congenial. I have no difficulty.

P: You are an exception to the rule, of course.

X: I realize that that is exceptional, and I am very grateful for the fact that I was able to ...

P: Because it was a major stumbling block of many people who read it and ...

X: In “Messages,” yes.

P: In “Messages” and in “Fundamentals.” (Two books by the author.)

X: For example — to go immediately to an example — I have a friend who is a longstanding friend of the family. She is a woman approximately 80 years old now, a very spiritual, very intelligent, very wise, very cultured, very fine human being, with a life-long spiritual orientation, and I sent her a copy of “Messages From Within” for Christmas, and I received in response a letter, the essence of which was, “I appreciate the gift very much and I like many of the ideas; however, Dr. Francuch’s concept of sexuality I find very difficult to accept,” which I think is a classic example of the particular difficulty that many people with an otherwise highly- evolved personal orientation will have.

P: Yes.

Z: X., could you elaborate on why you think she found it so difficult to accept, without psychoanalyzing her, but simply giving your understanding of that?

X: I really don’t know that much about it because she didn’t go into detail in the letter, but the little that she said gave me the impression that she had a deeply ingrained concept of the exclusive marital relationship as the only safe grounds for sexual expression, and the concept of sexuality outside of marriage, I think, was her major stumbling block. It’s just an impression, I guess.

Z: I’m wondering if a lot of reaction to this revelation which . . . a lot of the adverse reaction, a lot of the difficulty people have, is because they hear one part of it which is that part which says that in making love to all others, one makes love to the Most High, and so to one’s marital partner, and that it’s that idea of, sort of a transgression of, you know, adultery, which they focus on rather than the other part of it, which is in making love to one’s marital partner one makes love to everyone else, because isn’t — in the Revelation — isn’t there implied a choice there, and not a mandate to people to make love with as many people as possible?

Y: It’s also related to the very mystical statement which is so grossly misunderstood, I think, sometimes, “Love thy neighbor as thyself.”

P: Uhmmm.

X: And it’s not, you know ... on the superficial level, it says, “Well, love yourself and love your neighbor and you’ll do good”, but ultimately it’s to love the Most High, and yourself.

P: It’s love yourself first ... and the Most High, and yourself, before you can love your neighbor. It is a prerogative to start from the point to which we have come, and the only way we can start is from ourselves because that’s the point, but you do it from the Most High in you, and for the sake of the Most High in the others; this is the distinction. I don’t love myself for myself, but I love myself because I love the Most High and the others, and I am doing it for the sake of the Most High and the others, this is the difference. This is the true love; the other is a selfish love. “I love the Most High and the others for my own sake.”

Z: As if the others and the Most High were outside of myself.

P: Yes, yes.

Z: When in actuality the Most High is within myself, in myself ...

P: They are within.

Z: ... within myself.

P: Yes, yes, He is the ultimate “I Am”.

Z: But do you see what I am getting at? It is that there is a choice there, and I think many people may be alarmed at something like that, “Oh, Peter’s saying that it’s okay, that I should go out and make love to everyone.”

Y: It is okay, to screw her/him.

Z: It’s okay to screw around.

P: No, it’s not okay to screw around, because that’s a negative state, because if you go to screw around for the sake of screwing around, you are supporting the negative state.

Z: But can you, in my comment, I’m asking a question also, Peter, and I’d like to have some clarification on that. I am feeling and perceiving that there is a choice there, and would you clarify that for me, what one is to do on a practical level when one is considering making love?

X: I have a suggestion. Before we tackle that, let’s consider the basic principles involved further and then come back to that practical issue. As I understand it, your practical issue is represented by the question, “Let’s make it personal; is it acceptable for you to be oriented to making love to the universe through making love with D. or are you required to avoid an exclusive sexual relationship with D. by making it a point of having other sexual experiences. Do I follow correctly that that is the general thrust of your ...

Z: Yes, yes, and ... that’s a very good phrasing of my question.

X: In other words, if you can conceive ... if you can experience your lovemaking with A. as making love to the Most High and to all creation, so that there is a sense of universality rather than mere individuality and exclusivity, is that a satisfactory choice?

P: No, because there will be a limitation in making love to her. He would be limiting himself from the highest spiritual level. He would be limiting himself only to one aspect of her, which is represented by her, but not to the aspects of her which are represented in all others.

X: Before we come back to that and give Z. an opportunity to express it the way he formulates, which might be different from the way I formulate it, let me share with you some thoughts that I’m gradually bringing into focus here. It’s clear to me that if one starts from the negative state and tries to arrive at a correct understanding of the positive state, it is enormously difficult because of the ingenuity of the trap the negative state has devised, and therefore, as I experience it, the correct way to approach the problem is to start from the positive state of love and wisdom and from that position to contemplate what the negative state has done with sexuality as a means of dealing with the fundamental principles of love and wisdom in those correspondences. And as I understand it, the essential point is that the negative state has hit upon the ingenious device of dealing with the duality of love and wisdom with another duality which is the duality of pseudo-purity which is represented as maximum value, and total abomination, which is represented as minimum value. In other words, the negative state perverts sexuality by means of a trap into which everyone will fall, and the basic concept is let’s divide sexual experiences into two categories. One category ... on one category we place a very high value. This we call marriage, this we call purity, and this ... because it’s so valuable ... will be characterized by exclusivity ... because it’s so valuable, it will be exclusive. So the key concept is exclusivity.

On the other hand, we will present the alternative form of sexuality, which is the sexuality of no value; whereas, exclusivity implies maximum value, promiscuity implies no value, and in this way we will present everyone with a choice between two forms of sexuality ... take your choice. The high value sexuality which is characterized by exclusivity, and the no value sexuality which is characterized by promiscuity. Take your choice. Either way you lose, and once you fall into those traps where you’re conditioned to think in “either, or”, it’s very difficult to extricate yourself, and that’s the position of the world.

P: As I was reading, your Inner Mind was continuously confirming with your “yes” finger.

Z: Mine? Yeah.

P: Saying “yes, that is true”, and when he was explaining that lady’s view why she is ... your Inner Mind said no, no, no, because there’s something much deeper than what X. can present you with. Have you noticed that?

Z: Yeah, yeah. I’m aware of all of it, but ...

X: It’s clear to me that my friend, this 80-year old woman, who was married and had children and ... you know ... she lived in the world, even though she was always very spiritually oriented, was never of the world, even though she lived a full life. It’s very clear to me that she fell into the trap and conceived of the choice between sex as dirty, meaning promiscuity, meaning no value, and the alternative of sex as purity meaning an exclusive marital relationship, and so she always committed herself to the exclusive marital relationship and when her husband died, she renounced sexuality as being unacceptable in any other alternative. And that she is still a victim of that trap, who in other respects is highly evolved spiritually, but in that respect, has a hang-up that blinds her to the correspondential aspect of sexuality.

P: This is also one of the major obstacles for people who come to the spiritual world after they leave their body. They come there and are so disgusted by discovering that it’s so entirely different than what they were taught, and they become bitter and it takes a lot of effort and a waste of precious time to eliminate those misconceptions because it’s the most stubborn, even there, the most stubborn issue to deal with; and the most attachments and possessions and the insinuations in people of the negative entities are through that channel of sexuality. Notice schizophrenics, it’s always sexual, that’s a problem, isn’t it? They are possessed and particularly in that area.

X: Okay, in that context, let’s call it the two alternatives of pseudo- sexuality; the promiscuity which is of no value, and exclusivity which is supposedly of high value; and exclusivity is characterized by possessiveness which destroys love; and promiscuity, by definition, implies no love; maybe sexual pleasure but no love, so that love is effectively destroyed by dividing sexuality into those two pseudo- characteristics, which is diabolical. I mean it’s diabolically ingenious.

P: Sure, you have a choice to limit yourself or not to limit yourself. It all depends on what kind of intention or motivation you are pursuing in those limitations or non-limitations. However, bear in mind that it is difficult under presently existing conditions on the planet Earth to envision such a purity of intentions to get involved with many; because of tremendous contaminations, pollutions and poisons by all things which we are continuously flooded by, and no matter how good the intention is in approaching sexual intercourse either only with your wife/husband or someone else, it will always be with a little contamination which can result in guilt and which can result in problems. So, the way I was told to do that and the way I am presenting it in my own relationship ... and I can talk about myself only because, you know, you are different ... is that I say to the Most High, “Lord, I surrender unconditionally to you everything including my sexuality. Therefore, My Lord, if you find it necessary for some spiritual reasons, for some use or mutual benefit or common good and learning, if it will be advantageous, proper and right, to get involved with someone for a purpose of blessing and acquirement of greater knowledge, then provide me with an opportunity, or so be it. But it has to be on an entirely pure, no-personal-predisposition-type of attitude. Otherwise, it’s no good. It has to be from You, by You, through You, with You. If there is even a little grain of something from me, by me, through me, and with myself, no way. We are not going to do that. Okay? And if it is not proper to get involved, then of course, I’ll have no such opportunities.”

Z: This helps me a lot, and really directly addresses the practical issue because in what you are saying, also, X., before about whether you approach it from the negative state or the positive state is very important, because you can’t ...

P: Yes.

Z: ... really approach it from the negative state, but ... and I think that’s a clarification that’s maybe really important for people, because people who are not going within themselves, through the Inner Mind and through the Most High, are going to be evaluating it as your ...

P: Traditions, yes.

Z ... from traditions and conventions and from the outer mind standpoint, and that’s very confusing. Whereas, I think if people have the methodology and the instruction to evaluate the nature of the revelation that was given, from the inside out, then they arrive at their own answer, and that itself would seem to mitigate the negative reaction that people give to hearing what the revelation is; because they hear the revelation as in terms of the negative state, it’s adultery you’re recommending.

P: Yes, definitely, it comes from the negative state.

Z: They’re the choices ...

P: However, this is an up-side position. From the standpoint of the negative state the heavens are adulterous because they’re making love to all. Even you’re adulterous because you are making love to all in A. This is straight forward adultery, you see. In their concept specifically it must be only, only with that one person. Everyone has to be excluded from that situation. This is an abomination. Now, to add to that one practical, which was beautiful ... to that highly exquisite and nice explanation that X. gave us ....

Z: It was beautiful.

P: Yes, and I gave you the practical ... you do that and don’t judge anyone on how they practice their sexuality. When you do that, you are in good shape. If somebody goes out and makes love to many, fine. It is not for us to judge such a person. The person’s intentions are what count.

Z: I can’t judge from the outside anyway, ...

X: Because the key is not the actions, but the intentions.

P: The intentions .... And you cannot know inward intentions because the only person who knows these intentions is the Most High. You don’t even know your own intentions because you are not absolute, and you don’t know yourself. Only the Most High knows you absolutely because He created you from Himself, therefore, He knows you absolutely. Only He can know the intention, and that is the reason for that formula of practicality, to refer it to the Lord; if I’m doing it from You, Lord, by You, through You, with You, and there is nothing of personal predisposition or egoism in it, then it’s fine.

Z: So, one then ... as a practical measure, then one who is asking this question with respect to one’s spouse or one’s companion in contemplating the intention of his sexuality would go into trance, ask the Most High and receive an answer and thereby would know that intention was pure or not pure.

P: Right.

Z: Is that a correct understanding?

P: That is the correct understanding that you go inward and make sure that you dissociate yourself from ... the first step of course is unconditional surrender. You must first unconditionally surrender everything in you, including your sexuality, primarily your sexuality, to the Most High. That you don’t want to use sexuality for any other purpose but that; for mutual benefit, common good, sharing, greater knowledge of the Most High, others, and yourself, from that position of transcendence and whatever are the consequences of that. And, of course, there are other aspects of sexuality but we are now talking about that purely spiritual, mystical, highest level, spiritual concept of sexuality, not that pleasure and fun aspect of it, which is also part of it but it’s not the issue here, you see?

Y: The key is, then, you make love with the Most High.

P: Right. The key issue is to make love to the Most High, yes.

Y: You make love in the positive state.

P: Right. That is the key issue, because that’s the way you can approach the Most High in that transcending position, which is vital to have, that connectedness to that position particularly.

X: This is something I arrived at not just by intellectual contemplation or psychoanalysis but by actual observation and experience, I learned through experience that the act of making love was an act of worship.

P: Yes. Exactly.

X: It put me in touch with the ultimate reality. It put me in a trance-state. I would come out of a trance-state, I didn’t recognize it as a trance-state at the time, but I now look back and recognize that when I made love I would go into trance, into a state beyond time and space and when I came out, feeling transformed, I experienced that I had been engaged in an act of worship that had put me in touch with reality, and I came to the understanding that sexuality was a vehicle for the expression of love through wisdom, and that when approached this way, that it was an enormously nourishing process for oneself. So I came to think of sexuality as a vehicle for expressing love that is enormously nourishing to the self; the true self finds sexual love the most nourishing food in life.

P: But what is the highest purpose of sexuality? You know, in the sense of what is better than to know the Most High, yourself and others, and coming up with new ideas about the nature of the Most High and your nature and others’ nature ... a birth of new ideas. What is more? ....

X: Yes.

P: The ideas that are enhancing and enriching the whole creation, coming up from these progressive, new, different ways that you can really share with everyone. This is the ultimate. Now, if that kind of intention is there, then it cannot be evil and negative, you see?

Z: It occurs to me that just hearing this, hearing somebody speak these words, and having, even dealing on an outer mind level with these concepts, can provide a basis for suggestions to people to consider the possibilities of this function of making love, and thereby bring them closer and closer to that. I have an experience that I want to share with you, with my wife D., who was raised as a Catholic, and you can imagine, and so ... but the experience was simply of her confronting certain conflicts that she had, and going inside and asking the Most High about the purpose of sexuality and the purpose of making love, and the Most High told her that it was ... the words were that sexuality was ... and making love was for the purpose of bringing the Divine into the physical.

P: And it wasn’t for procreation.

Z: Like bringing the Divine into the individual.

P: See, the implication of the statement ... since you are not absolute, you can bring the Divine into the physical with your sexual partner in a very limited manner. But you see, you are limiting the Divine’s full manifestation by limiting yourself to one.

Z: I’m not understanding that, because in the revelation you said, that you just gave to us, you said that by making love to one’s spouse, two things stuck out in my mind. One is that since one’s spouse is continuously changing one is never making love to the same person; and secondly, by making love to one’s spouse, since the whole is contained in any particle or element of the whole, then one’s spouse is part of the whole, I am ... we are making love to the whole Creation in that way, and in that way, I’m thinking isn’t it simply sufficient, then, for one to decide to make ... and I’m saying to decide, not to decide on an exclusive, possessive basis, that one can only make love to one’s spouse, but that by deciding to make love to one’s spouse, being satisfied and content and receiving the permission of the Most High to do that, then ...

P: It is funny, because that was the question that I raised when this came through, and I was told in principle, no, because you are not absolute, even if you are changing continuously, it’s still a change from the position of your own uniqueness but not from your position in someone else as a unique individual, which makes a tremendous difference.

Z: So, does that mean that if one chooses to make love to one’s spouse, with the understanding that by doing so one is making love to a continuously changing being and to all beings simultaneously, by virtue of ....

P: As they are represented in your spouse.

Z: Okay. As they are reflected and represented in one’s spouse.

P: Right, by certain aspects that your spouse can uniquely manifest ....

Z: Is the whole represented in the spouse, the whole creation?

P: In the unique conglomeration which is available only to the spouse. But in someone else, that whole is represented in a different unique experience. It is there, but in a different unique experience which is not available to anyone else.

X: Let me see if I can formulate what I think is Z’s question more clearly so we can really zero in on this. I think, correct me if I’m wrong, this is the question ....

Z: Well, I had a question which was following that, which is: is it therefore limiting for one to decide to make love to one’s spouse and not to others, on the basis that one is making love to a continuously changing being and to the whole of creation as represented through the uniqueness of that one individual; is that limiting?

P: Essentially, I am told, yes. It’s a choice; there’s nothing wrong with that ... there’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s limiting because you are excluding all other uniqueness which can never be repeated in anyone else.

X: I think I can help us to clarify this. As I understand it, Z. is essentially approaching the problem from the angle that gives rise to the question, can I escape the trap of exclusivity, which is destructive spiritually, by regarding my lovemaking with my spouse as a universal act of worship. Instead of trying to answer that question, let me share with you my experience which may help us to clarify. I’m not sure, but I have a feeling that it’s relevant and may be helpful. What I gradually came to formulate for myself, in my marriage with S., after we were married, was this way of formulating it, which at the time was experienced as a psychological formulation rather than spiritual formulation, so that it was all formulated in terms of my true self, my innermost self, so that I experienced it in terms of psychological context rather than spiritual context; and the way that I formulated it to myself was my primary commitment is not to my wife but to my innermost self. I am committed to be true to myself, so long as myself freely chooses to only make love with my wife, I will only make love with my wife. But the moment that myself chooses to make love with anyone else, I will be true to that self, so that what I experienced was that my commitment was to that internal relationship to my innermost self, that was my marriage, and I was prepared to always be true to that self so that so long as myself genuinely desired only to make love with this one woman, I would be true to myself so long as that was the genuine feeling, but there was no sense of exclusivity, no sense of restriction. There was a sense of, “I’m committed to be true to myself and myself is free so that anytime myself chooses to make love to anyone else, I’m free to do that,” so that in that way I was free from the orientation of exclusivity. Now, whether or not that’s useful to anyone else, I don’t know; I know it was extremely useful to me.

P: In a sense, when we speak about marriage, we speak about internal marriage, both femininity and masculinity within us, not with some outside individual. Of course, in the kind of relationship you are talking about it is rather difficult to envision finding a true spirituality on the earthly level in the negative state, where there are no apparent changes, and these changes are very imperceptible and slow and everything decays as the body gets older and shabbier and things like that. It’s a decay situation, so you lose motivation and it becomes a matter of duty and a real sexually-charged situation, thrill, which would fulfill the spirituality ... the content of spirituality in the sexuality, in this case is missing.

In the spiritual world, in the positive state, of course, the idea not to share myself with everyone else, both in my spouse and experiencing my spouse in others, is an abomination. This is the issue here. Your situation would limit experiencing your spouse in others. This is the issue.

Z: Which thought?

P: That I would limit experiencing myself and others in my spouse only, and limit myself in the sense that I would not allow myself to experience my spouse in others. I experience others in my spouse and my spouse in my spouse, but I also experience my spouse as she is represented in others.

Z: And so you’re ...

P: See, you neglected, not neglected but you probably didn’t hear what I said; when you make love to others, you make love to your spouse, when you make love to your spouse, you make love to others. This is a two-way street. When you limit that, then you only go one-way, and there is a danger in that there are certain limitations; it is not necessarily evil, but there are certain limitations which have a potentiality to be exhausting. Eventually you will get to the point that something is missing in your spirituality.

Y: Yes, and certainly there would be some limitations to masturbation, and if you’re making love with the Most High and your exclusivity is with yourself, and it’s an interesting proposition to think that you work through that ... to work through that because in some certain circumstances, of course, one is left with masturbation, because of certain situations in the negative state.

P: Again, even masturbation depends on motivation and intention. If through the universal consciousness, when you masturbate, you think about someone intensely and about the Most High in that person, then it is valid, particularly if one, for some reason or other, is in a situation in which nothing else is available.

Y: I can’t help but be impressed with the idea that to make love to the Most High with the intention of doing that is, as X. suggests, where you start ... where you start your consideration of sexuality.

Z: Well, this last exchange, when you raised the issue of masturbation and your comments about that, led me to ask what is making love, and if, in fact, making love is simply a physical, genital act versus ... there must ... that would be ... seem to me to be very limiting and very much on the outer or the surface level.

P: Right. Again, do not judge because what counts is the purpose or the intention of masturbation. In this case I would exclude it ... I don’t think we should discuss that at the moment because this is a very low level ... primitive level of sexuality which is a cop-out when nothing else is available to the physical body which needs relief of tension; and that’s fine, you know; but this is not the issue. It’s not sinful, but it’s ... call it a neutral state ... it’s neutral. There’s nothing evil in it unless there is an intention ... negative evil intention to avoid sexual intercourse at all. Then it’s sick and, of course, it’s negative. On the other hand, to avoid homosexual involvement, for example ... and I’m talking about myself here ... it is better to masturbate if no other alternative than homosexuality is available. Homosexuality was always repulsive to me, because it was never natural to me. The only thing that you would have in con- finement was homosexuality. Now, to avoid homosexuality and to avoid the tension, the cravings of the body ... and especially at that young age, being 18, 19, 20, etc.

X: In the concentration camp?

P: Yes, I’m talking about prison, you know. Well, I masturbated, of course, and that is the only way, under those conditions; it is harmless and there is no problem in that sense. Of course, I had tremendous guilt about it, gentlemen, because at that time I was still a confirmed Baptist, conservative Baptist, and it was a terrible thing; it was, you know, the sin of sins. But now I know better. So I am just giving an example of a situation where there is nothing else available and the body has to be taken care of, because there is a bodily aspect of sexuality like everything else. But here, we are talking entirely about spiritual aspects of sexuality. I am only considering that approach which you are talking about; of that situation in which the limitation ... you are excluding yourself from experiencing your spouse as she is manifested and reflected in others. That relationship is excluded there.

Z: In what I was talking about earlier, in saying if one is making love to one’s spouse, acknowledging and experiencing that one’s spouse is an always changing, human being of infinite variety, and that also the whole is contained within the spouse reflected in the unique qualities of the spouse, then that’s limiting.

P: Yes, because it lacks that aspect of how your spouse is reflected in the other parts. Now, you are limiting that. You see the point there? The subtle distinction?

Z: Yes. Now I guess the other question about that is to interpret or understand the nature and relationship of that limitation for the individual in question, whether it’s tolerable or whether, in fact, it is a limitation; is it universally a limitation for everyone?

P: Well, there are different levels of awareness, and understanding. When you come to this awareness, in the moments you come to this higher awareness and understanding, it becomes limiting. When you don’t have that awareness, then it’s not limiting. You see the point?

Z: Yes. That’s clear.

P: You cannot generalize, but why this revelation has been given to us, which transcends anything which exists anywhere, as far as I know ....

Z: To have that understanding?

P: Yes, on sexuality.

Z: To take us beyond our limitations.

P: Yes, to have this understanding. You see? It’s given because we have to start to hit the negative state in the stronghold ... that is the crucial point. This was the target because they knew very well what sexuality means. We do not. Now you know, at least on some higher level; there is even transcending understanding to that which we are not yet ready to know; but they knew.

Z: I have another question. Is everybody tolerating my questions?

P: Oh, sure.

Z: The other question goes back to what X. really beautifully brought out about the choice which is no choice. What are the steps, considering now that we are approaching people and many people are stuck in making that choice; what are the steps for people to extract themselves from that dilemma of no choice?

X: Good question.

P: Okay. This is the point which I think is the crucial one for the methodology which was transmitted through me ... to approach it spiritually ... the positive approach ... you don’t determine it for people. Let them determine it from the positive of their Inner Mind in deep trance, from the position of the presence of the Most High in them. And from that position slowly, step by step, explain to them what was beautifully brought out by X., the two alternatives which are reflected in this period; from that position, slowly help them to realize what happened and what should be done about it in their particular life and from their particular position, from their particular current spiritual state, condition and level. Again, you cannot generalize; you have to be very cautious.

X: In short, one external outer mind cannot help another external mind because you get lost in the rationalization and the traps of the negative state, and the only solution is to facilitate that internal relation between that individual’s outer mind and their Inner Mind, and let the Inner Mind ...

P: And preferably go into trance.

X: ... do the therapy.

Z: Blind lead the blind.

P: Yes, and go into trance with your client and talk to your client from the position ... from the Most High in your Inner Mind to the Most High in that Inner Mind. This way you cannot go wrong, sir.

Z: Yes, I’m aware.

P: Okay.

X: Now, let me ask the corresponding question, because I experience that it’s relatively easy for us to arrive at our own understanding and it’s relatively easy to arrive at an understanding of how to deal with one individual who is amenable to going into trance, but the toughest question in this area, as I see it, is how does one deal with the misperception of the New Revelation and the Spiritual Transformation Center ... well, let’s say by the media; not by an individual who’s amenable to going into a trance, but by let’s say, a journalist who is writing an article in a magazine about the Spiritual Transformation Center and the New Revelation on which it is based, say, a year from now; and this journalist, an unwitting agent of the negative state, presents the argument that ...

Y: Are there any?

X: ... that these kooky cultists are victims of self-deception and rationalizing their promiscuous sexuality with this high-faluting theory about the divine nature of sexuality so that it is presented to the masses ... in the public news media as being a kooky sex cult that is rationalizing their neurotic behavior?

P: Gentlemen, that was the reason we have, “Be therefore warned that the greatest opposition you will get is in that”, and it will happen.

Z: Right, right.

P: And you have to take things one step at a time.

Y: You can read the bold headline: “Free Sex Guru Francuch” akin to Rajneesh, et cetera, and on and on and on.

Z: Except that it raises a really important point which is for us to be discreet, and that can easily come, even on the level of outer mind, but also to be going inside and being guided in that discreetness with the awareness that we are approaching an extremely sensitive topic, and our objective is not to create antagonism. Our objective is to create ...

P: Right. You don’t publicize this. What you do, as I am getting right now, is train people, one person at a time, slowly, gradually, from the position of that person’s Inner Mind, changing those attitudes in one person, in your clients, slowly. And, of course, asking the Inner Mind, “Is it proper, is it correct, is it acceptable” to that person, so that when a person comes out ... runs out of your office he doesn’t go and shout about it publicly. First of all, all the clients who come for a spiritual transformation process should at least read “Messages From Within.” If they have difficulties with it, you are very careful, very cautious, you don’t impose any foreign ideas until the time comes when they are ready to accept it and you are sure that they will be discreet about that matter.

X: I’d like to summarize what was just said in this way. I think we are all agreed that it’s inevitable that the negative state will engage in misrepresentations and unscrupulous attacks and so forth, and that’s part of the sweet drama of the whole situation.

P: Well, gentlemen, congratulations, you volunteered, you agreed to come to the negative state for that purpose. Remember, you are equipped; you have been given tools, means and methodologies to deal with this situation.

Use them wisely and with discretion, going inward every day, several times a day, consulting your Inner Mind, consulting the Most High, advisors getting together, three of you getting together ... as long as I am here, you can come and the four of us will get together putting yourselves individually and simultaneously in trance and finding the most wise decision to make about the situation, under the auspices and guidance of the Most High.

X: How right you are.

P: From the Most High, by the Most High, through the Most High ...

X: And before you spell that out, Peter, I experience that Z. immediately put his finger right on the heart of the correct answer, which is that in dealing with those attacks from the negative state, if we were trying to defend the New Revelation by means of our outer minds, there would be no chance.

P: No chance.

X: The whole solution is to work from the Inner Mind ....

P: You lose the battle, gentlemen.

Y: Yes, and the fail-safe step would be ... in anybody considering their options sexually, “Inner Mind, is this a situation and an opportunity to get closer to the Most High, to make love to the Most High, interact with the Most High, to be intimate with the Most High, or not?” The questions, the dilemmas, just blow away like chaff in the wind.

Z: It occurs to me, you know, that if you’re talking about somebody asking ...

Y: Yes, clinical transformational methodology is the step, the question ... to formulate the question to the person who’s working through their sexual struggles in the negative state ....

Z: Who presents you with a question and you refer it to the Most High.

Y: For example, “I have this problem. I’m married and I’m bisexual and I have this relation ... this relation ... this relationship ... what’s happening to me, what am I to learn from this situation?”

Z: It seems like the crucial thing ... there is the posture that a person is adopting in simply addressing it to the Most High; that is the crucial thing, and then the posture of us, ourselves, to be patient in working with people.

P: Well, this is the point.

Y: And to work from the principle, the law, to be a counselor of Divine Law, well, of course, we know that true sexuality is to make love with the Most High, and it is a situation that you can work towards or not.

P: Gentlemen, don’t concern yourselves too much with getting the sense of this statement. What is one of the first steps in spiritual process, or transformational spiritual process? What is one of the very crucial points? At one point to get the client in touch with the Most High, or the highest spiritual advisor within, that represents the Most High. If you are succeeding in that, then don’t worry, because you address yourself to the highest advisor, you address yourself to the Most High. The Most High tells that person what is proper for that person under those conditions, at that time. And if the issue of sexuality will not come, or if it will be very limiting, limit it at that point, because that person is not yet ready to accept any higher understanding of sexuality; then there is no danger. The danger is only in a sense of publication of my books and people reading that and misinterpreting, misunderstanding; even those people who are very philosophical and spiritually-minded and are willing to accept everything except for the most crucial and most important issue ... sexuality. People are funny in this respect.

Y: It’s also significant that so much of our energy responds to this issue.

P: That tells you something.

Y: We all have pertinent personal experiences, pertinent personal struggles and thousands of clinical samples and examples that we have on tap, and it’s right there.

P: But it’s so obvious, just what is the biggest problem people bring into your office? Ultimately, somewhere along the line it will relate to sexuality.

Y: The problem of giving and receiving love.

P: Right, that’s it.

Z: Which is misperceived as a problem of love-sexuality on the outer level, performance and so forth.

P: Exactly.

Y: Alienation.

Z: But it is giving love, and it’s of course giving love to different people at different times.

Y: Depressed libido.

P: Now, do you think that we can finish this?

Z: We have tapped the surface of it only inasmuch as I have ....

P: Study more of what was said, and you will be enlightened.

X: I’d like to just share with you that I have made a mental note in the back of my mind that my orientation will not be to try to avoid misunderstanding or misinterpretation or unscrupulous smears and perversions of the New Revelation, but on the contrary, my position will be to anticipate and accept the fact that this is inevitable, that it will occur; in other words, there’s no way ... we could twist ourselves into pretzels trying to avoid being misunderstood or misinterpreted. It’s very important to accept the fact that the negative state has its part to play in the sweet drama, and that there will be misinterpretations no matter how scrupulous we are in attempting to communicate accurately and correctly.

P: Very true. And that was the warning; that is the reason it was brought to your attention. See, now you know why I have to start with sexuality. Okay. Ready to proceed to the second issue?

2

Memorandum and Dialogue On Dealing With Negative Entities

P: This is more official. This Memorandum on dealing with negative entities was in the form of a revelation as an update on transcending the understanding of sexuality which came the day before yesterday. This is a Memorandum, which I will read to you.

“To the Ruling body and all members of the Center For Spiritual Transformation and to all concerned: As a speaker of the Most High, I am hereby advised by the Most High to advise you to use the following approximate procedure in dealing with the negative and evil entities in all situations at this time” ... meaning that at this time it’s proper; a year from now, I don’t know ... we always have to check it out. “First, to mobilize and evoke the powers of the Most High’s Absolute Love, Wisdom, Mercy, Forgiveness, Compassion, Empathy, Kindness and Gentleness, combined with your own and your client’s similar attributes from the Most High, by the Most High, through the Most High, and with the Most High in you and in your client; second, mobilize all of your and your client’s spiritual advisors, with the same attributes as above; third, assign to the former shadows, who are now mighty warriors of the Most High’s peace corps and are peace-bringers and peace-keepers, the role of taking out, separating, evicting, and isolating the negative or evil entity or entities from the client or yourself, to the left side of you or the client’s left side. In this case, it is not a situation of possessiveness, insinuation, or attachment, but a request for help or encounter with them, as part of their mission they have to continuously combat everything positive and good during the fierce spiritual wars. Have the mighty warriors of the Lord’s peace corps surround them or it and encircle them or it with a shield of white light from the east, that is from the Most High; fourth, have the mighty warriors of the Most High’s peace corps read to the negative entities the entities’ rights and privileges.”

The following content of the reading is to be presented to the evil or negative entities as advised by the Most High. This is the content of the, you know, Miranda, something like that. “By the powers of the Most High’s Divine Love, Wisdom, Mercy, Forgiveness, Compassion, and Empathy, as well as our own, as we are all present here, from the Most High, by the Most High, through the Most High, and with the Most High in us, you are hereby being eternally evicted, expelled, and separated from me or from the client. (Use the client’s first name). You are hereby reminded of certain rights and privileges that you eternally have from the Most High. First, you are not locked eternally or forever in your present condition, state, process, or place. Second, you are hereby reminded that you have the power of choice and ability to choose. Third, you are hereby given an opportunity and a chance to exercise your rights and privileges to choose from your own free will and by your own free choice, the abilities that you have from the Most High’s love and wisdom, either to continue in your negative state in the midst of evils and falsities, or to change through the process of repentance and confession of your sins from the bottom of your heart and request the Most High for forgiveness of your sins. Either choice bears its consequences; if you choose to remain in your current condition, as a result of this choice, being an intruder and imposter from hells in the home that belongs to the Most High, you will be sent back to your respective hell from where you originally came, where you will be locked up to bear the consequences of your evil and false deeds and concepts without being allowed to disturb or attack anyone to eternity, contrary to their will and choice. There, we advise you to reconsider your position. And when you are ready to ask the Most High for help to repent, to confess your sins and to recede from your current condition of evils and falsities and to find a way out of your hell as well as to learn how to repent and how to recede from the negative state that you identify yourself with, you will be given an opportunity to do so. Should you make a wise choice and repent and confess your sins and ask the Most High for forgiveness, then you will be taken from the left side where you are right now and placed in the front of the east, and you will be engulfed by the Most High’s warmth and light and be transfigured into a white spirit. Should you be deceptive in your statements, you will not be able to survive that warmth and light and it will instantaneously transport you into the deepest hells where you will be barely able to catch your breath. Once you are transfigured into a white spirit, you will be accompanied by two angels, the servants of the Most High, to the special division of the New School for Spiritual Re-Awakening, Re-Learning and Re-Structuring, and there you’ll undergo a process of total transformation from the negative spirit into a positive spirit and subsequent placement within the positive state of the Most High’s Creation for the performance of work chosen by you for mutual benefit, common good, and sharing with all in the Most High’s Creation.

Now having read to you these eternal rights and privileges, that come from the Most High, I am hereby asking you, what is your choice? Take your time in considering and weighing all the alternatives and let me know your choice.” Fifth, after the choice is made, in the first situation when the negative entity chooses to go back to the hells, have the mighty warriors of the Most High’s peace corps escort it to the hells, lock it in the hells, and put a permanent seal, with the Most High’s approval, on the gate. If the negative entity chooses to change, proceed with its placement to the east, and do as described in the reading of the rights above. This is a memorandum.

X: Beautiful memorandum, Peter.

Y: Yes.

X: Which is ...

P: You can discuss it, if you want to, briefly, or even ...

X: Well, I’d like to begin the discussion by saying it’s a beautiful memorandum which is beautifully illustrated by the exorcism that you did in my process so that I experience a complete correspondence between the words in that memorandum and the memory of that exorcism that occurred on the evening of the third day.

P: Even seeing William-the-Conqueror, kicking him in the ass.

X: The point I’d like to make is that the key factor in the whole process is the working assumption that the shadow has been converted prior to exorcism which is a really key point. If the shadow has not been converted, then the exorcism is not ready to be performed. That is my experience.

P: Well, that’s true in both directions. Your own shadow also has to be converted; the basic one ... the basic shadow which is attached to you must be converted.

X: On the part of the therapist or facilitator as well as the client.

P: Yes, right, because you are endangered there; they will not listen to you. You don’t have any powers.

X: So, if a therapist or facilitator encounters a negative entity in a client or recipient, which is coming into the foreground and attacking, the key question to ask is ... on the part of the facilitator ... is “Has my shadow been converted so that it is prepared to assist in this process, and has the client’s shadow been converted?” If not, that is the first priority. We have to get the shadows in position before the exorcism can proceed.

P: Well, I ... it’s possible, you know, that it will not happen until the shadow is converted, although, you know, there ...

X: Boy, I mean, I think of L.’s process where Lucifer came on the scene before there was any reference to a shadow so that I had to first begin the exorcism of Lucifer and then check with the spiritual advisors and discover that it was not appropriate to proceed with the exorcism until the shadow had been brought out, and as it happened, the shadow had already been converted spontaneously, so it was a very simple matter, but the shadow first had to be put in position before I could proceed with that exorcism.

P: Well, you have to have the fullness of the situation. If you have an unconverted shadow, it is not a fullness of the situation; you have no powers. The shadow is the power. Remember that it is a mighty warrior of the peace corps, as you noticed from the New Society’s structure, which was presented to you two weeks ago in the first statement with which I shall continue in a moment (for the first statement see Chapter Two). Yes, sir?

Z: Well, I would like clarification of an experience which I had, which was with this gentleman that I have talked to you about before who was suicidal, and my instructions in working with the person, were initially to very tenuously present spiritual hypnosis to the person, to put him into trance, and when he went into trance, my instruction was that there are numerous negative entities which are possessing this person — I mean, this person had extreme suicidal ideation to the point of deciding ....

P: Note that the word you are using is ‘possessing’ him, not insinuating.

Z: Yes. No, it is possessing ... and there were numerous ones, and that when we went into trance and went ahead and did an exorcism of one in particular and there was no confrontation with the shadow. The shadow was not resolved, and yet it was stated that this particular exorcism of this particular entity was crucial for his survival, and after that, I was instructed not to do spiritual hypnosis with him anymore, and then I was simply instructed to stay with this person in therapy to talk with him ... it’s the person I mentioned to you ... also — because if I didn’t — if he wasn’t coming to see me, then he would kill himself.

X: And you were instructed to not attempt spiritual hypnosis to deal with the shadow.

Z: Not anymore.

X: Interesting.

P: But also not to exorcise all other evil entities possessing him. Notice, you were not allowed to proceed further.

Z: Just that one, and his experience during that time was profound and very quick. It was gone very quickly, exorcised quickly, and he had a profound experience of the Most High which left him speechless after he ....

P: How long did it last?

Z: All I know is that there was something very crucial going here in terms of saving his life.

P: Yes.

Z: And that I was receiving just enough instruction to do that, to follow through with that.

P: In terms that he would not commit suicide.

Z: That’s right, yes.

X: It sounds like a kind of a first-aid emergency ....

P: It’s an emergency situation, which is an exception to the rule, I would say; you have to go by what your Inner Mind is saying. The advice is here the same: always listen to it, especially in a situation like this.

Z: Right. I guess that’s why I wanted to share it.

Y: So your instruction on how to proceed precisely came from where? From your Inner Mind, from his Inner Mind?

Z: It came from the Most High when I asked for guidance on how to proceed now after that entity had been exorcised and there was obviously significant difficulty and fear for this man of going into trance again.

X: The Most High within you or the Most High within the patient?

Z: The Most High within me, and then there’s a whole lot with his experience because it has to do with a presentation of hell to me.

P: There you see, this is the point, Z., some situations with the clients are not that much for the sake of the client but for the sake of our learning, like .... Let me tell you a secret. You know that R.’s case in my book, the first book (Principles of Spiritual Hypnosis)? Well, his advisors were mixed up and somehow there was no cooperation ....

X: In the third case?

P: In the third case. That situation was primarily for my learning, meaning that it was provided specifically for that purpose as a test; his advisors were confused ... the confusion was induced into the spiritual advisors. They volunteered for that. And, of course, there is more to it than even I can know at this time, because that was such a special and unusual situation in all respects. But it was more for my benefit than for anyone else’s. And for the benefit of further developing the spiritual hypnosis.

X: Am I to understand that the spiritual advisor, Harold, was not actually incompetent, but had volunteered to perform that function as a test for you?

P: Yes. Because as you may remember, I told you that you don’t understand something about this, which is not proper to tell you.

X: Yes, I remember.

P: Okay, this is one of the reasons ... and there are some other reasons which even I am not allowed to know at this time, but this explains why that situation was not that much for his benefit ... sure, it’s also for his benefit ... but it was for your benefit. That’s one of the reasons why an exception is made from the rule.

X: The fundamental point here, as I see it, is that even though it is a basic rule that the shadow should be converted before an exorcism is attempted ...

P: Be flexible.

X: ... that one should always be flexible in the sense of adhering to the primary rule of always be guided by the Inner Mind in each individual situation.

P: Yes.

X: Because there are always exceptions to any rule.

P: Right. But that’s the rule which I had been trying to “brainwash” into people during all my workshops but people would not listen, you know, it’s funny ... it was always frustrating to me.

Y: Was there verification from that patient, Z., in some way that he should not have any more spiritual hypnotherapy?

Z: There was in the sense of extreme .... Before I received that, and the reason for asking explicitly was because there was extreme resistance and difficulty in going into trance .... There was no verification on the level of his Inner Mind because after the exorcism it was not possible to go into trance deep enough to have verification from him. He wouldn’t go beyond two fingers.

P: Which is not enough, no.

Z: So, there was no direct confirmation from his Inner Mind, only ...

Y: Indirect confirmation?

Z: ... only that he wouldn’t go, and that’s when I said, well, what should I do?

P: Look for confirmation, yes; he wouldn’t go so he didn’t go.

Y: I understand.

X: I have a couple more comments in regard to the Memorandum. As you were reading the Memorandum and as I was associating it with the process of my exorcism, I found myself recalling a key moment in that process where once it was clear that what we were dealing with was a negative entity that was operating very subtly, Peter said the following words as he got up from his chair and he moved over behind my chair, something like this, ‘all right, I am taking over now, by the authority of the Most High; all right, by the authority of the Most High, I’m taking over now’. Those were very, very, very powerful words. That was a key moment; there were many important moments, but the confidence, the decisiveness, the power that was communicated at that moment, not just, ‘all right. I know what was going on here, we’re dealing with a negative entity,’ but ‘I’m taking over by the power of the Most High;’ that was the decisive move in the whole process. Very powerful, very powerful, the negative entity didn’t have a chance from that moment on.

Z: As the Most High taking over, it’s for Peter.

P: You see, you are ... or I was authorized to say that by the Most High, ‘I’m taking over by the power of the Most High’ because I have to do it from the externals also. The Most High is doing it through me in the externals at the same time as He/She is doing it from the internals. For that moment I become the Most High without being the Most High myself; the Most High ... no, this is not a correct statement. The correct way to say it is: the Most High becomes me for the purpose of also doing the work from the external position. You have to understand that this work has to be done both from the internals and the externals simultaneously. Only in this way is the successful outcome of this work assured. The Most High does His/Her work in the externals through spiritual people who occupy the external position.

X: Let me spell this out more fully so that we can see what we’re dealing with here. I experienced that it wouldn’t have been the same thing at all if Peter had said ‘all right, I want this negative entity to know that I have the authority to ask it questions’, or ‘I have the authority to deal with this situation’. The words ‘taking over’ are the key words. ‘By the authority of the Most High,’ of course, is the backup, but ‘I am taking over’ .... From that point on, that negative entity was on the defensive; it was attempting to be very intimidating, you know. It was initially coming through with an attempt to be very intimidating, but once Peter established that he was taking over by the authority of the Most High, ... that was the decisive momentum and it just carried through the rest of the process as I experienced it, and of course, it was tremendously reassuring to me to hear it. I mean, I sensed that Peter understood what was happening but let me just share with you, in case you’re not aware of it, that I was sitting in that chair unable to move and unable to speak and knowing that something extraordinary was happening that I was only just beginning to have a faint comprehension of, and there was this sense that Peter not only understood the situation but had the skill and the competence to deal with the situation, which is much more than just understanding. So that the moment he said, ‘I am taking over by the authority of the Most High’, I felt that my trust in him was fully confirmed and that it was just a matter of the two of us working together to complete the process. That was really a key moment; it comes back very strongly, and I certainly ... I mean, I have learned from that experience to use that tool and I strongly recommend it. Very decisive, and there’s a right moment for saying it. It shouldn’t be too soon and it shouldn’t be too late, but there’s a right moment for saying, ‘all right, I’m taking over now by the authority of the Most High’.

P: If you are guided by the Most High, you will know when to use it.

X: Right. And there was that sense of Peter being absolutely tuned in so that he knew exactly at what point to take that step. I was ... I mean, thirty years of experience as an analyst and director of a clinic put me in a position of being able to recognize competence, and at that moment, I recognized competence. Extraordinary moment. I couldn’t move and I could not talk and I felt like I was at the mercy of what was happening, and at that moment, it was very reassuring to experience Peter’s magnificent competence.

Y: But there’s also an element of surrender in that, too. Your Inner Mind surrendering.

Z: Which is reassuring.

P: I remember once I was dealing with some demon in a very sick girl and that demon was just hating me. He was hating me and everyone else but particularly me with all his passion. That battle in a sense was going on for several weeks. That’s how bad it was. And he was hating me, just wanting to devour me when at one point I said, “Well, here I am, now, I am coming to you. If it can help you to change your attitude, please take me and devour me.” That was the key issue, willingness to sacrifice myself for his salvation.

X: Which implies a total absence of fear on your part.

P: After I said that the demon got confused and powerless. However, in those days (this was several years ago) it was much more difficult to deal with this kind of evil spirit. Gentlemen, you are in good shape because you have the New School now, where you can send them. That school has a special division for demons, satans and devils and similar creatures. You can send them there and if they choose to convert, then it is fine and dandy. But in those days there was no such school opened yet.

X: The balance of power was different at that time.

P: I had to send them back to hell, and it was not easy for me.

Z: When A. heard that on the tape, the other day when we played the tapes, we made some reference to that and she sat up, very alertly, and said, ‘you know, that’s where it went’....

P: Yes. That’s exactly where her demon went.

X: I have one further thought to share. I think I expressed it in the workshop but I’m getting an indication that I should repeat this. During ... I believe it was during the ... just at the time of the spiritual workshop, it was either in the middle of the workshop or just before the workshop, in one of my trance states, I got this revelation which went beyond what I understood in the process that I went through with Peter last May. In the process my Inner Mind was making a very clear distinction between insinuation and possession, using the analogy of a tapeworm to represent insinuation and the analogy of a python or huge snake crushing and swallowing its victim to represent possession. And there was also an implicit distinction referring to attachment that I didn’t really fully comprehend the relation between these three things in my process last May, and I was just ... in trance that I got this further clarification that attachment ... that negative entities go through three stages of attack, once they find an opening; the first stage is attachment, the second stage is insinuation, and the third stage is possession; where attachments are like leeches, insinuations are like tapeworms, and possessions are like pythons. And what I further got ... and this is the thing that really interested me ... was that attachments tend to take the form of dependency fears, the symptom of attachments are dependency fears. The key symptoms for insinuation are false beliefs, falsities; and the key symptoms of possessions are evil actions, evil intentions.

P: That’s the worst type.

Y: This is interesting because the other day I was working with a woman, and being inspired by leeches, tapeworms and pythons — attachments, insinuations and possessions, it became relevant that for her attachments were confusion, insinuations were illusions and pythons — possessions were delusions, and that was the progression — confusion, illusion, and delusion.

Z: This is very helpful.

X: And there is a progression where the negative entity tries to take it from one step to another for the ultimate purpose of possessing to control ....

P: Oh, yes. This is a purpose. Do you realize that confusion corresponds to the turning of oneself to the negative state; illusion to the falsity of the negative state; and delusion to evil of the negative state? However, there is a fourth situation which is neither of that but precedes all of that and which is a continuous, 24-hour attack by those negative thoughts, feelings and concepts which are continuously flooding the world by those negative people who are in this world and by the negative entities in them. Those negative thoughts, feelings and concepts are continuously hurled at you, you see, and you just have to continuously ward them off ....

X: Originally, in the process I hadn’t made the distinction between bullets and attachments. Now I understand that quite apart from attachments, in applying various fears or confusion, there are these — we live in the atmosphere of the negative state where there are these bullets flying through our experiential field, and we have a choice as to whether we own it and create a problem out of it or whether we disown it and just let it pass through without being affected by it. Or another way of putting it, we have a choice when a bullet approaches seeking an opening for an attachment of an insinuation or ultimately a possession, we have the choice as to whether we’re going to say, “well, yes, I’ll accept that little thought and let it percolate and germinate in my mind”, or we can just choose to reach up, pick the bullet out of the air and send it back saying “no, thank you”.

Z: It reminds me of the way superfluid helium heats; it flows everywhere in all directions with no resistance.

P: Okay, gentlemen, I would like to continue with the third issue if you don’t mind. Are you ready?

3

More On The Structure Of The Heavenly Society

P: This is a continuation of the discussion two weeks ago about those twenty couples that were introduced to you at that time. (see Chapter Two). As a result of all the work which was done in two weeks, earthly time (you have no idea how much time elapsed in the spiritual world), the five new couples were introduced as an addition to the union of the New Cosmic-Celestial galaxy or nebula. They are representative of some other solar systems or spiritual solar systems which are being incorporated in this New Spiritual Galaxy. The galaxy or the New Society is growing. Again be warned that the names which I am going to give you are only for the purpose of orientation. They are not permanent; their real names, the way they really are, are not utterable here. These names are given to us for the purpose of identifying with whom we are relating.

The first couple who came was Victoriel-Victoriella. They represented the principle that the Most High is the Absolute Winner and Conqueror, and the negative state is an absolute loser and defeatist. Therefore, all in the positive state, in their being and existence, always ultimately win and conquer, and all in the negative state, in their pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, always ultimately lose and are defeated.

Then after them came the second couple who were called Nadiel-Nadiella, and they represented the principle and the content of the Most High’s Nature which is absolute usefulness. This principle signifies that the Most High creates and permits ... creates and permits everything from the position of His/Her Absolute Nature — usefulness. Therefore, whatever He/She does, it is from use, for use, into use, to use, and with use. Thus, whatever exists is for some important use, purpose, goal, reason or learning and therefore its being and existence is justifiable and needed and has its time and place. This, of course, also includes the negative state’s temporary being and existence because the negative state performs for the Most High and for all Creation, to its bitter disappointment, a very important use, providing a very crucial opportunity for learning.

X: A very important principle in both “Fundamentals of Human Spirituality” and in the “Messages From Within”.

P: The third couple which came were called Mobiliel-Mobiliella. They represent the principle that the Absolute Nature of the Most High is reflected and manifested in His/Her Creation in a continuous unceasing fluidity, mobility, flow and changeability of all states, processes, conditions, places, generalities, globalities, localities and singularities. Therefore, all infinite numbers of alternatives and choices and their infinite number of consequences and outcomes are always present simultaneously and synchronously for anyone to choose. Nothing whatsoever is missing in the Most High’s Creation. The unavailability of something is by choice only and by the fact that it is not a proper time and place from the standpoint of spatial-temporal continuum to have it, but it is there.

The fourth couple can be called Constantiel-Constantiella just for the sake of orientation. And the principle they represent is that the Nature of the Most High is absolutely constant from eternity to eternity and from infinity to infinity. In His/Her Absolute State, Process and Condition, the Most High contains all changes, all states, all conditions, all possibilities, all choices, all generalities, all globalities, all localities and all singularities. In such an Absolute Condition is the Most High’s Absolute Constancy and Permanency of Changes.

X: That sounds like a quotation from “Fundamentals” on that.

P: I think it is from “Messages”.

X: Is it from the “Messages”?

P: Yes, I think it’s the second message.

X: Oh.

P: Except that in that message there are no “generalities”, “globalities”, “localities” and “singularities”. It sounds more like the “Four Concepts of the Spiritual Structure of Creation”, in the chapter on “The Principles of Spiritual Metaphysics”.

And the final couple in this set who came at this time is Archangel Raphael and Raphaella. They represent the principle that the Most High is the Absolute Lord of life, death and healing and of all heavens, of all hells, of all earths in the totality of their being and existence. The Most High is the way, the door, the path, the resurrection, and the true life, the true “I AM” in everyone and everything, and that the Most High is Jesus Christ.

That the Most High and Jesus Christ are not two separate persons but they are one. The resurrection of Jesus Christ was the resurrection in the physical body. That physical body was made divine by that process and other processes and can, therefore, never be disfigured or decayed like everybody else’s body, including Buddha’s and all others who had the presence of the Most High and who were a manifestation of the Most High. But Jesus Christ was and is the Most High, and He is the only One whose physical body was made divine and taken with Him into the spiritual world where it never decays. It is called Divine Human, and the Most High appears to all humans in His/Her Creation in that body.

X: So the equation Jesus Christ equals the Most High is represented by Raphael and Raphaella?

P: Right. And also a very important principle that only the Most High is the Absolute Healer and therefore only the Most High can heal people from any of their infirmities. Whatever methods of healing are available to people, without any exception or exclusion, they originate from this Absolute Principle of the Most High.

X: And that’s the 25th couple?

P: So far 50 people were revealed. They are quite a council but they all represent the solar systems and planets of the galaxy of that New Heavenly Society.

X: And are we to understand that these couples that correspond to these fundamental principles are members of the High Council of the New Heavenly Society?

P: Yes, right. They constitute the High Council. There is a ruling body that is not all 50 or more members (at this point we know only about 50 but, of course, there are more) but they are the High Council and they are all in session, something like a Plenary Assembly or a plenary session. And they maintain and rule that New Society which is a full galaxy and has many, many members from all of the places, universes, galaxies and solar systems not only from humans that came from planet Earth but from other sentient entities both human and non-human. For the first time — it was not before — this Society is being totally activated but it is not totally activated because it is still in the process of being activated by the Most High. As you see, this is the process of activation. As they are being introduced to us, the New Society is being more and more completely activated. And this is all for today.

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