ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTIETH DIALOGUE

June 12, 2000

Peter: This morning I am considerably concerned and confused about the possible inconsistency, discrepancy or contradiction between something that was stated in Dialog 144 and in some recent Dialogs, as well as throughout all the books of The New Revelation. I am almost at a panic level. In that Dialog, as You are interpreting the true spiritual meaning of verse 4 of the 6th chapter of Genesis, referring to the words ‘of old,’ You state that the pseudo-creators were originally created before the actual creation of Creation from its state into its process took place. Yet, everything in The New Revelation indicates that the idea of invention or fabrication, activation, establishment and manifestation of the non-life of the negative state with the consequent idea of fabrication of the typical human non-life, was born at the level of the external- physical dimension. How do You reconcile this discrepancy or even contradiction? After all, if the pseudo-creators were created in the so- called pre-creation period, they could not have been positioned at the external-physical level because it had not been in its state and process yet. Of course, before clearing my fogged up mind by this disturbing issue, perhaps You would like to talk about something else.

The Lord Jesus Christ: At this point I would give preference to discuss the issue you raised, Peter. Following that, we’ll talk about something else. It is important that you brought up the above mentioned possible discrepancy at this time. Let Me tell you something: It was not by coincidence that last night, as you were opening the second volume of Dialogs, the very first page you opened, was the one in Dialog 144, which was dealing with the issue of the pseudo-creators. As you know, nothing is by coincidence. This is especially true when we are dealing with the issues addressed in The New Revelation. As you know, recently, we have been strongly emphasizing the need for making all kinds of reevaluations, restatements, redefinitions, different understandings, etc., of all common and less common spiritual notions, terms, ideas, words, etc. This need is tied-in with the ending of the current phase of the presently ongoing shift and the opening of the new one. One of the reasons it was necessary to make such a seemingly discrepant or contradictory statement as mentioned above, was for the sake of all of your learning to think spiritually and not in the manner available to your external human mind.

There are several points to this issue. From the position of your external human mind, the word that needs to be substituted for the word ‘created,’ is the word ‘conceived.’ Thus, the pseudo-creators’ creation was conceived during the pre-creation state. In the process of creation of Creation, this conception was projected for a concrete manifestation at the level of the external-physical dimension. However, from the position of the actual occurrence, as it is conceptualized and perceived in the spiritual state, no difference exists between those two words/states because, at the very same state, as conception occurs, so does its creation. Here again, is the issue of the objective mode of perception and understanding of any process and the subjective one. In the objective mode everything occurs. In the subjective mode everything proceeds. Whereas the state of occurrence is simultaneous, synchronous and discrete, the process of proceeding is continuous, sequential and precedential. Do not forget, please, the creation of My Creation does not take place in time and space. As you remember from the Big Book, and also from Swedenborg’s writings, time and space are introduced at the very end of the creation of the external-physical dimension. They are not the building blocks of Creation. In fact, they are its outcome at only one level. However, as Albert Einstein pointed out, even at your level, time and space, in actuality, do not exist. It is only your subjective perception that makes them objective as if they exist outside of your subjective perception and discernment.

Because of these facts, if creation does not take place in time and space, and, thus, it happens in the objective non-time and non-space mode, in that case, occurrence of something and proceeding of something happen simultaneously. For that reason, to conceive something and to create something happen simultaneously as well. It is the very nature of the Absolute that if the Absolute conceives something, by the factor of the very conception, that something is created. That it is subsequently projected into the process of proceeding gives it a sense of being placed somewhere and somewhen. In the foresight of the need to invent and activate the non-life of the negative state, and later on, of the human non-life, it was necessary to conceive the pseudo-creators in the pre- creation state so that the process of the shift of Creation from its state into its process (the actual Creation of My Creation) would take this factor into consideration. However, because the occurrence of the conception of the pseudo-creators was at the same state (the words ‘at the same time’ are impinging on your external conscious mind), the very state of their creation, from the position of the temporal-spatial continuum, which is unable to conceptualize that one state occurs at the very same moment as the other state (meaning, the state of conception is the same state as the state of creation), it seemed as if they came into their own being and existence before the actual creation of the external- physical dimension was created. While, in fact, the reality of this situation is such that the pseudo-creators’ actual occurrence was projected from the pre-creation state into its process at the very same time as the external-physical dimension appeared.

This is a very difficult concept to explain to your human mind. Therefore, in order to avoid further confusion, the best way to understand this issue is by substituting the term ‘creation’ in the case of the pseudo-creators, with the term of being conceived in the pre-creation state with a subsequent projection into their actual creation at the external-physical level. Thus, you may interpret the words that they were ‘of old’ as being the very first ones, and initially, the only ones who occupied the external-physical dimension of My Creation. As you remember, they were placed in the garden of Eden. One of the spiritual correspondences of the garden of Eden was the body of great knowledge and wisdom with which the pseudo-creators were endowed (of course, at that time/state they were not yet called the pseudo-creators. Instead, as everyone else of that time/state, they were called the sons of God). The other significant spiritual correspondence of the garden of Eden is being the external-physical dimension of Creation. The entire external- physical dimension is conceptualized and perceived by everyone in other dimensions as the most beautiful garden of Creation. The third significant spiritual correspondence of the garden of Eden is as being the covering skin of Creation which holds together everything of which Creation consists. In this sense, it is obvious that its positioning is the most external one. It is into this most external positioning that the pseudo-creators were projected following their conception in the pre- creative state. The word ‘following,’ of course, is the term ascribable to the subjective mode only. In the objective mode the words that should be used are ‘as they occurred in the conception.’ Can you discern the fundamental difference between these two? Also, can you see how one word, in its spiritual connotation, has multiple correspondential meanings as seen, for example, in the case of the garden of Eden?

Peter: Yes, I see it, I sense it, but to my external human mind it is really a difficult concept. However, by my intuition, I am able to fully grasp what You are talking about.

The Lord Jesus Christ: It is so, Peter. There is another point to this whole confusion which is difficult to conceptualize but which really occurred. As you remember, at the external-physical level certain existential questions were about to enter the sentient mind positioned at that level. By the factor of their preceding energies (as you remember, each event, before it takes place or occurs, is preceded by its specific energies), and by the factor of the spread of those energies throughout the entire Creation, all sentient entities became aware that some kind of unusual questions would be asked. You also remember that you were told in one of the previous Dialogs that a certain group of sentient entities volunteered not only to ask those questions on behalf of all before the actual questions would enter their minds, but that they also would provide the most tangible, concrete, factual and eternally convincing answers to all of them. This group of sentient entities, later on, were named the pseudo-creators. Of who or of what kinds of sentient entities did this very special group consist? It consisted of special representatives from all levels of pre-creation and Creation so that no one at those levels would be left out by not being represented in this important experiment of asking questions and providing to them the proper and right answers, the answers which would satisfy all of them at each level of their positioning.

If you look at the factor of this particular representation, which did not exclude anyone’s representation and participation (from all other dimensions and their various levels), those members of that group which were created in the pre-creation state, would be called, later on, the pseudo-creators, likewise. In this sense, they would also be called ‘of old’ and ‘of renown.’ This is one of the major reasons, besides what was outlined above, why, in Dialog 144, we were talking about the pseudo- creators being created in the pre-creation state. However, this fact in no way means that they were the ones, or anyone else on the other levels of Creation, who would come up with the idea of asking those kinds of questions. As mentioned in one of the recent Dialogs, they were only the registrants of the energies that preceded the occurrence of those questions in the sentient minds of those who were positioned at the external-physical level. As you know, it is possible to read out from such energies the content and the nature of the questions which were about to be asked. By becoming aware of how crucial and vitally important those questions were, and how even more crucial and vitally important their answers would become for the benefit of all in Creation and for the possibility of the establishment of the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state, some representatives from each level decided to participate in the entire process. This is another source of how the term ‘fallen angels’ came into the vocabulary of humans. If you know the truth about this matter, is it appropriate to call them ‘fallen angels?’ Did they really fall? Of course, even if it were appropriate to call them ‘fallen angels,’ it would still mean that they can stand up. After all, the only position from which you can really fall, is if you are standing. Falling down logically means that you can stand up. If you wouldn’t be standing, you wouldn’t be able to fall down either. If you fell down, by the factor of going down, you are also able to come up.

However, in this important case, the words ‘fallen angels,’ as conceived by all, and by the facts which were revealed above and before, are not used justly. If someone is in the status of volunteering for something as important as what we have been talking about throughout the entirety of My New Revelation, that someone cannot be called fallen or be considered as a fallen angel. They should justly be called angels who, on a temporary and transient basis, volunteered to step down from their prior position and to function and provide everything possible and vital needed for the eternal activation of the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state. Now, this point of view gives you an entirely different perspective than with what you have been fed by all those so-called holy books which deal with these issues. You can see clearly how wrong they are. This view, as explained in My New Revelation, could be one of the most surprising and the most difficult to accept, even for you, My true representatives on planet Zero. If, all your conscious life on planet Zero, you were fed by very much opposing views, being brainwashed into believing and accepting something entirely different, it is not at all easy to reject everything you were told and taught, and to switch to something which goes against everything that everyone accepts, considering it to be the only truth.

So, in view of these facts, to volunteer to do and to experience something, even if that something is totally opposite to everything you had and the way you were, cannot be considered as falling from it. Instead, from our position, or from the true spiritual point of view, it is a temporary and transient regression for the sake of all and on behalf of all so that, once and for all, when this situation and condition is over, no one anywhere and anywhen would be plagued by uncertainties of their relative condition and by the questions of existential significance. Having all the necessary answers, they would have no need to spend a considerable portion of their valuable energies on anything related to their answers.

In this connotation the issue of the relativity of all sentient entities is a crucial one. This brings us back to the question asked by Desider about how it was possible for anyone to come up with such a negative idea under the condition of their pure positiveness and goodness. It sounds as if everyone was perfect in their state and condition. However, this has never been the case. We are talking here about their relative pure and perfect positiveness and goodness. What does the word ‘relative’ mean in this connotation? Even if you experience yourself as being in a pure and perfect state of positiveness and goodness, your experience of them is still relative. It means that it does not contain all absolute possibilities, choices, changes, knowledges, and anything else. Thus, in this sense, your relative condition always lacks something. If it lacks something, it cannot be absolutely, purely and perfectly positive and good. This lack can be considered as one of many motivational, intentional and creative drives to seek out or to always search for something new and different in order to compensate for that lack. Basically, you can conceptualize it as the need for continuous spiritual progression, change, accommodation and adjustment.

So, when you are in the position of a need to search for something which you lack, in the process of your exploration of what you lack and how to go about it to rectify this lack, you may discover that you lack certain types of experiences. Suppose, for a moment, that you come across the idea (and you most definitely will in the process of your search and exploration) that tells you that you have the right and privilege to reject Me as the only source of your life. As you are exploring the content of that idea, in the process of your exploration, you discover something which tells you that you have absolutely no experience of what the consequences, results and outcomes are if such an idea is put to the test, and in the process, it becomes its own actualized and realized reality. Now you know for sure that you are lacking a very important experience in this respect, which is the outcome of your being relative. In order to circumvent this particular aspect of your relativity, by the very nature of your individual makeup, and the makeup of all sentient entities, you must do something about this lack. And logically speaking, the only thing you can do under your relative condition is to experiment with that idea by shifting from your current state and condition, or by giving up, on a temporary and transient basis, — until the experiment lasts and the lack of this particular experience is eliminated, — to something entirely new and different which, in all its aspects and manifestations, does not have anything in common with anything you previously experienced or had; but which is in full concordance with the content of the idea in question.

This is one logical answer to Desider’s question about how it was possible to come up with anything like that under the so-called purity of positiveness and goodness. As you see from the logic of the above discourse, it was, in fact, very easy to do so. It would be very much surprising, knowing the inquisitive, inventive, creative and constantly searching structure and nature of the sentient mind in general, if that mind were not to come up with anything of that nature. Having absolute foresight that this would be the case, and knowing absolutely that no other conditions existed or were possible under which the creation of My Creation and all its sentient entities could occur or come to its most desirable fruition, it was inevitable to permit for everything related to the non-life of the negative state and human non-life to happen the way it is manifested during the current cycle of time/state/process.

But what about in the next cycle of time/state/process when the positive state will be in the state, process and condition of its completeness and fullness? Will there still be a condition with the sentient minds which would continue containing the lack of anything at all? How can you assess that situation if you are in the fullness and completeness of something; in this case, of the positive state? Does it mean that the relativity of sentient entities will be suspended? Is anything of this nature possible? Can they become absolute in their own right? Absolutely not! In order to be absolute, they would have to be uncreated and eternal from eternity. Although they all are immortal, their eternal continuation is only unidirectional — from the state/time when they were created into the forward direction to eternity, but not from eternity. So, their eternity is ‘to’ but not ‘from.’ This is what their relative condition requires. Under these conditions, what is understood by being in the fullness and completeness of the positive state? And how does it compare to the current state of non-fullness and incompleteness?

Under currently existing conditions, many restrictions, limitations, security considerations, and similar burdensome factors apply. Some knowledges, experiences, conditions, states and processes are not available at all for the same security reasons and for the sake of all sentient entities themselves — so that they would not inadvertently lock themselves in one state or condition, not being able to rescind from it to eternity. All these situations and requirements will be completely abolished in the next cycle of time/state/process. Thus, in it, unending, unhindered and unlimited possibilities would exist for eternal exploration and search in order to fill in any gaps that would exist from the lack of something by the factor of their relativity. They will still be relative; but now they would not have to waste their energies on the exploration and experience of anything related to the idea in question which gave an impetus for the non-life of the negative state and human non-life to be fabricated, activated, established and manifested. They will no longer lack this type of experience. And because all experiences related to this issue will be preserved in the Universality-Of-It-All, no need will exist to repeat it again and again.

Do you remember what we answered to Boris Bella’s question about this issue? Because all sentient entities will continue to be relative to eternity, although in a very much different and lesser degree, they will have the need to supplement their relativity with the continuous acquirement of new and different knowledge. Whenever they come up with some idea or question in any subject matter, before putting it to the test, they will search out the Universality-Of-It-All in order to determine whether the answer to their question has already been answered. Should any question come to anyone’s mind about the possibility of any other type of life other than the true life of the fullness and completeness of the positive state, before such question spreads out to all others, the inquirer will be directed to the Universality-Of-It-All where his/her question in this respect will be fully, exhaustively answered, to his/her full and complete satisfaction. Thus, no need would exist to eternity to reactivate the non-life of the negative state and human non-life. But it is also the reason why, from time to time, because of their relativity, all former sentient entities would be in need of being reminded about what happened and how it was during the previous cycle in which the non-life of the negative state and human non-life had parallel co-existence with the true life of the positive state, albeit in its incomplete and non-full condition. Such reminders, if needed and necessary, would take place only and only within the confines of the Universality-Of-It-All so that no one else would be disturbed by such reminders. On the other hand, the newly created sentient entities, being that they will be relative likewise, by the factor of their relativity, would be prone to ask such questions as related to the possibility of any other type of life (non-life). In their own rights and needs, they will be directed to the Universality-Of-It-All as well, where they will be able to know and experience everything which happened in that mysterious and strange cycle which preceded theirs; thus, not disturbing anyone’s peace of mind by their need to experience anything of that nature or to know about it for their own personal and individualized reasons.

Looking on the issue of the need to invent, fabricate, activate, establish and manifest the non-life of the negative state and its human non-life from the proper spiritual perspective, no matter how awful, terrible, abominable, despicable, atrocious, disgusting, foolish and insane they are in all their aspects and manifestations, it becomes obvious that it was not such a horrible thing to permit for something like that to happen. The relativity of everyone’s condition requires experiencing many things in order to diminish its continuous lack of such experiences and knowledges. Otherwise, it would be easy from the relativity of their condition to find themselves in the state of unceasing desperation by not being able to know and experience this or that. In order to prevent anything of this nature from happening, many things are permitted to be experienced or to be in place which to the human conscious mind does not make too much sense. And not only that, but being overwhelmed by so many negative and evil experiences which happen on their planet every second, they question why God would permit or even cause something like that to happen. In many cases, because of that, many of them deny that God could exist at all.

It is extremely difficult for the limited and limiting human mind to understand that anything of the negative and evil nature of their personal and individual experiences, as well as of the collective experiences of the entire humanity throughout its entire history (and little do they know what is and to what extent it is being experienced in this respect in other regions of the Zone of Displacement and all its Hells), has a very meaningful and vitally needed contribution to curbing of the lack embedded in the condition of their relativity. And not only that, but, for that reason, they chose to have such experiences by their own free will and free choice. Also, that the genuineness and authenticity of such experiences required from them to agree to have no memories that such was the case. Only by the means of My New Revelation, and by no other means, such important knowledge has become available to all — whether on the conscious or unconscious level, respectively. For everyone in the positive state, for many in the negative state and for you, My true representatives on planet Zero, who read these words, it is available on your conscious level. For the vast majority of humanity, and many others in the pseudo-realm of the negative state, it is available on their unconscious level.

As was indicated to you several times before, the closer we are coming to the end of this experimentation with the idea in question, which idea made it possible for the non-life of the negative state and human non- life to have their opportunity to manifest their entire nature, the more mysteries and knowledges about all these factors become available to all by the means of My New Revelation. For humans, the availability of The New Revelation and the knowledge it contains about the fact of their non-life and the non-life of the negative state in general, even if it is on their unconscious level, will serve as a foundation on which the actual buried memories about all these things will be opened and made accessible to them. Having these important knowledges, will cushion the possible fatal shock from remembering all these facts. But it also will make clear to them why they chose anything at all that they went through during their individual and personal life on planet Zero or in any state and condition of the negative state’s realm. As you know, many of you, even My true representatives, question the wisdom of your decision to be in your current situation and position, by asking yourself why you would agree to anything of such a putrid, horrible and despicable nature which you go through during your tour of duty on planet Zero or elsewhere. At the point of your recall, it will all make perfect sense why you agreed to something like that. And I can assure you of one thing: Even if it would be totally inconceivable for you to admit from your current position and state that you could agree to all of that, nevertheless, you will praise your wise decision and choice to experience everything that you have been and will be experiencing while in human non-life or elsewhere. And not only that, but you will be deeply and profoundly thankful to Me for allowing you to go through your personal and individual experiences.

I know very well it is difficult, if not impossible, to conceive this notion of gratitude and thankfulness for all of that, when you are in the midst of such negative experiences. However, bear in mind that if you were to consciously know that it was one of the wisest decisions you could have made, the impact of your experiences, and the learning they provide for all, would be nullified. How else can suffering be manifested, demonstrated and illustrated if not by suffering itself? If by knowing that your suffering is by your design and decision and if it is such a wise thing to go through, in that case, your suffering would turn into delight. What kind of suffering would it be? It would be something like one of Dostoyevsky’s heroes proclaims, ‘What a great pleasure it is to have a toothache,’ for example. In that case, the meaning of suffering from a toothache would be erased. No learning occurred about suffering from this particular ache.

Why are we talking about the issue of suffering and everything mentioned above at this time? As you know, we have arrived at the moment when the closure of this phase of the ongoing shift is taking place right now during the recording of this particular Dialog. This moment requires from you to realize more so than ever before that any situation, position, condition, or whatever you are experiencing or finding yourself in, no matter how awful and miserable it is, is needed and necessary for you to go through or to be in. The wisdom of your situation requires from you a full acceptance of your condition in all modesty, humbleness and humility without complaining and bitching (excuse Me for this expression!) about it and without moaning or being dismayed or depressed or miserable about it. You are where you are supposed to be and you experience what you are supposed to experience. Nothing different or better or worse (in some cases) would be proper and right to have or to experience for you during this time or during any time of your presence on planet Zero. By fully and unequivocally accepting your situation and position, by recognizing that it is the best thing for you to be in at every moment of your being on planet Zero or elsewhere, even if it seems to you, on your conscious level, that it is the most miserable and suffering-causing condition, you are demonstrating and illustrating for all, how and what it is like to be My true representatives and the members of My positive state. It is a sign of great maturity, wisdom and an advanced spiritual level to be able to recognize and accept these facts and to live in accordance with their meaning and content.

The non-life on planet Zero for you, My true overt and covert representatives, can be considered as a modern type of martyrdom. We have already mentioned this fact in one of the previous Dialogs. A true martyr for the right spiritual cause is one who fully accepts, without any strings attached, without any complaints, for the sake of learning for all, his/her situation and condition with the full understanding that it is the right thing to experience and that it is needed for some important spiritual reasons even if he/she has no conscious ideas or knowledge what those reasons are and why he/she in the state and condition he/she is in at each and every moment of his/her individual and personal life. It is not an easy matter to be able to recognize and accept the fact that even the most seemingly senseless events, even the most cruel happenings and experiences, even something that, by all signs of its occurrence, etc., should not be taking place, nevertheless, it is all happening, occurring or taking place for a very good reason. And the needed impact it has on all and everything, even though it is not discernible on your conscious or any other level, far outweighs what it appears to be and how it appears to be manifested.

The present spiritual condition, as it is being in the process of unfolding, requires from all of you not only to be aware of this setup, but to be actively involved in changing your attitude and behavior regarding everything which is going on, both around you and with you, personally and individually. If until now some of you might have been questioning the wisdom of certain things which you witness on planet Zero, as well as in your personal and individual lives; if many things or most things of an adverse and questionable nature do not make any sense to your human mind, then, at this time, you are strongly advised to, as soon as possible, reevaluate your attitude in this, or any other respect, and learn to look at everything from the proper spiritual perspective, recognizing and accepting the fact that if things are happening the way they are happening, they need to happen that way and no other way. Any other way, even if it would seem so positive and good from the position of your external observation, from the spiritual standpoint, in its outcomes and consequences, would not be positive and good. Remember that!

The central issue of this concluding Dialog is the awareness for the need to proceed with self-reevaluation, self-exploration, self-examination, self-assessment, self-search, self-scrutiny, self-attitude and attitude toward others in order to discover anything within you or in you which is not congruent with the principles of My New Revelation or with all the principles of Love and Wisdom, Good and Truth and Positive Works and Faith. Any incongruence with them makes it possible for the forces of the negative state to influence your life adversely. Even any minutest incongruence in any aspects of your life in this respect, steals the substantial portion of your personalized and individualized energies from the cache of the energies needed for the positive state. In that case, it is utilized by the renegades for their own evil cause. At the present time, or right now, the situation in this respect is such, that utilization of your energies for the renegades’ evil cause, makes it possible to indefinitely prolong the non-life of the negative state and the human non-life in its negative and evil aspects. Please, be aware, that the presently ongoing spiritual war between the forces of the Great Alliance and the forces of the renegades, is for nothing else, but, on the positive side, to shorten the time for ending everything related to the negative state in all of its aspects and with its human non-life, and on the negative side, to prolong them for as long as possible.

In order to give you time or room for this important process of self- evaluation or reevaluation of everything related to you personally and individually and to your attitude and position which you have toward Me, My New Revelation, others and yourself; and to give you the opportunity and time for discussing these issues and the issues raised in all these Dialogs among yourselves, an interim period is being initiated or established between the phase of the ongoing shift which is being closed right now and the next phase which will be opened after you go through this spiritually important and vital process. During this interim period many things will need to happen at all levels of My Creation and pseudo-creation. At your human external conscious level such things will not be discernible as much as on your inner spiritual level. In your human case, they will be reflected in the process of your effort to evaluate, assess and discuss everything related to you personally and individually, and to My New Revelation, and especially to everything contained in these Dialogs and how to go about, in the best possible and most effective way, eliminating from your lives any possible incongruence between your behavior, attitude and lifestyle and everything contained in My New Revelation.

One important aspect of this crucial process will be the awareness of the articles of agreement which you signed before your incarnation on planet Zero. This awareness is not in the form of conscious recall or remembering that they were signed or agreed upon, but by the factor of them being revealed and conveyed to you by the means of My New Revelation. Once you are aware of them, and once you fully and unconditionally accept that such an agreement was made by your own free will and free choice, without any duress, imposition or forcefulness on anyone’s part, it will be much easier for you to accept your past, current and future situation in which you find yourself at each moment of your life on this planet, no matter how bad, negative, or good and positive that situation might be. The important part of this awareness is the awareness of the temporality and transience of your situation. You have to learn to look at any situation in which you may find yourself, no matter what kind of situation it might be, that it will pass and that in no way is it allowed to continue indefinitely.

As everything related to your human life will pass and becomes no more in the moment you leave planet Zero, being that all your experiences are an integral part of the total experiences provided by all within the current cycle of time/state/process, you will be given a great opportunity to choose something else, or to enter into a different agreement with Me which will determine your new role, position, assignment and placement related to anything which will be needed at that time/state. One of the profound secrets, which we mentioned in one of the very recent Dialogs, divulges the fact that a contract was signed between Me and all sentient entities in being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, as well as humans, that their life (and non-life in the case of the negative state and humans), the way it is lived during the current cycle, will expire permanently and irrevocably. As you remember, the burdensome conditions which are embedded in the current cycle due to the active status of the non-life of the negative state and human non-life, considerably poison and taint the type of life as it is being experienced by everyone. No one would want to continue with this type of life.

Let Me tell you something very important in this respect: As the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state has never been activated yet, so has the fullness and completeness of life itself not been available to anyone. Here is a mystery for you: What is being defined as life at any of its levels is only a limited aspect of the full and complete real life. Under the conditions which defined and established the current cycle of time/state/process, the manifestation of the full and complete true life would not be possible. Why is it so? Do you remember the mystery of the tree of life, planted in the middle of the garden of Eden and how the access to that tree was closed and made impossible? Well, another meaning of that tree and what happened at that time/state, besides what was revealed about it in the recent Dialogs, was/is that the true life in its complete and full manifestation is not possible until the non-life of the negative state and human non-life illustrate and demonstrate all aspects of their nature, structure and dynamics. If such fullness and completeness of the true life was possible under those conditions, in that case, it would be easily read out by the forces of the negative state, and they would successfully apply it to their condition, making their non-life last to eternity and, by that factor, blocking any possibility for the activation of the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state to eternity as well. In that case though, the current burdensome cycle could not be closed and it would also have to continue to eternity.

One of the true meanings of the statement recorded in Genesis 3:22-23 refers to this situation: Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” — therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. That ‘man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil,’ in the present connotation of the meaning of these words, signifies that the question was asked about the possibility of the other type of life (non-life) other than the life in the positive state and that all consequences, outcomes and results of that non-life were spelled out by Me (‘to know good and evil’) and accepted by all those who volunteered to participate in the fabrication, activation, establishment and manifestation of the non-life. ‘The man’ here signifies all those who were positioned in the external-physical dimension of Creation, the dimension which was called, as you remember, the garden of Eden. ‘Lest he put out his hand’ signifies the ability of them to discover, by the power of their own exploration and search (‘put out his hand’) the secret of the full and complete state of life (‘and take also of the tree of life’) and appropriate that state to their own state, process and condition and immortalize and eternalize them. ‘The Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden’ signifies leaving the sphere and atmosphere of the true Creation at its external-physical level and establishing themselves in the Zone of Displacement, denoted here by the words ‘to till the ground from which he was taken.’ ‘To till the ground’ means to be in the externals and to derive everything from the externals. ‘From which he was taken’ signifies, in this particular connotation, the ending of that kind of life, and of the entire life which has not been in its fullness and completeness during this cycle and, following the elimination of everything related to the non-life of the negative state and human non- life, to make it possible for this new type of life to be conveyed to all so that it could be manifested in its fullness and completeness.

The words ‘from which he was taken’ also signify the condition of the extreme and utmost relativity into which the inhabitants of the external-physical dimension were placed. As you remember, this extreme and utmost relativity of theirs gave an impetus for all those questions to be asked and for finding the ways for their answering by the means of the non-life of the negative state and human non-life. ‘The ground’ here signifies this utmost and extreme relativity to which they were referred back in order to disable their ability of finding out how to immortalize and eternalize their non-life.

So, under those conditions, it was not feasible at all to grant all sentient entities the conditions of the fullness and completeness of life itself. Such conditions would be detrimental to the full and complete life. In order to prevent this from happening during the current cycle of time/state/process, it was necessary to release only so much of life and such level of the life’s qualities from My Absolute Life and Its Absolute Quality which would be sufficient to maintain the life of all sentient entities but which would not give them an opportunity to prolong it ad infinitum. Based on this necessity, the agreement was signed by all of us that this type of life and non-life will expire upon the completion of manifestation of everything which is allowed to be in place during this cycle.

Another reason for release of only limited aspects of the true life from Me was in, many times mentioned before, the factor of free will and free choice. Before the fullness and completeness of the true life as such, and accompanying it, the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state, could be established, it was first necessary to provide for all, various samples of life and non-life so that everyone could decide, based on their own free will and free choice, what kind of life they want to choose in which they can live to eternity, or for good and forever. This is one of the most important decisions, if not the most important one, which establishes the permanency and irrevocability of the full and complete life as such. Before you can make a decision for something which will last to eternity, you need to have an opportunity to consider, experience and sample all forms, shapes, conditions, natures, structures and dynamics of many various manifestations of life and non-life so that you could have a firm foundation on which such decisions of yours could be made. Do you really want to be in the fullness and completeness of the true life as such and, accompanying it, in the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state which, up to this point, were available in their incomplete and non-full form and condition?

As you are comparing one sample with another, you choose that one which is the most suitable, the most pleasurable, the most inspiring, the most motivating, the most creative, the most meaningful, the most fulfilling and the most satisfying, giving you the most incentives and the most sense. If the available samples of the true life and the life of the positive state are so rich, so inspiring, so marvelous, so delightful, so uplifting, so productive, so desirable and so everything else without exception and exclusion, even in their present incomplete and non-full condition, as well as in comparison with everything opposite to that which is available in the samples of the non-life and human non-life, isn’t it obvious how indescribably much more they would be in all their possible aspects in the state of their fullness and completeness? And isn’t it obvious that if you compare that life with the non-life of the negative state and human non-life, that you would never want to choose anything else but what the true life as such and the true life of the positive state has to offer to you?

This is how decisions are made. This is how the choices are made. The theoretical factors are not sufficient in themselves and by themselves for making such decisions and choices. They must be accompanied by the experiential, factual, actual and realistic modes which give everyone a clear practical experience, perception and foundation on which such decisions and choices can be made with an absolute certainty and decisiveness. And this is how things are!

Peter: What about the previous cycles which preceded this one? Is there any difference in them as far as the fullness and completeness of life as such and the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state is concerned in comparison with what is available during this cycle?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, Peter, here we go again. It all depends from what mode of perception of reality you look at them. In the objective mode, because they occur simultaneously and synchronously, the same rules apply to them as to this cycle with the exception that in their case the negative state and human state are not in an active mode but in the mode of their potentiality to become active. Their potentiality for being active would not allow the fullness and completeness to be in place likewise. If you look at it from the subjective mode of perception of reality, in which it appears as if there was the past, is the present and will be the future, in a sequential and continuous manner, because of the dependency factor of one preceding the other and one succeeding the previous one, the same rule would also apply. So, in this sense, you can see that both modes require application of the same rule as exists during this cycle of time/process.

It is extremely difficult for you to conceptualize the issue of non-time. As you see, as we are talking about these important life topics, by using your human language, we are giving you an impression that something was, something is and something will be. Under your human conditions, we cannot very well talk in any other mode but in the subjective mode. It is proper to talk in the terms of this mode because, after all, you are currently positioned within the dimension which is time-space bound. In order for you to understand anything at all, it is necessary to talk about these issues, or about anything at all, from your position and not from ours. Of course, in our position, we take both modes and their respective factors into full consideration and accommodate the conveyance of our ideas to their nature, structure and dynamics accordingly. Whereas in the subjective mode we are mostly dealing with the appearances of reality, in the objective mode we are dealing with the real reality. But to the residents of the dimension ruled by appearances, they are as real as to the residents of the dimensions ruled by the true reality.

So, how do we reconcile the fact that in the true reality no concepts or experiences of past, present and future exist? By the previously mentioned principle of folding or by a Russian doll. If you place on a flat piece of paper, the present, past and future, which seem to be far apart from each other, and then fold and refold that paper in a certain manner, then suddenly, past, present and future are at the same point, being on each other, yet being distinctly separate from each other. Or if you can visualize a Russian doll and in it, the past, present and future, then you can clearly see that they are all in the same container within each other, but, nevertheless, being distinctly and visibly separate from each other, perceptibly enclosed into their own sphere. The main factor in this perception is that they are being defined as distinctly different from each other, or, in a technical term, being discrete to each other without touching each other. They are all enclosed within their own sphere and atmosphere, having their own life and their own events and happenings without any obvious relevance to any other life and its own events and happenings. Looking at the piece of paper from above, you can see, at the very same time, past, present and future. This is the objective mode of your perception. Looking at the Russian doll from the outside, you can see only one external doll. You have no idea that within that doll there are several other dolls. You would have to take it apart in order to be able to see the other dolls. This is the subjective mode of your perception. This is how you can conceptualize these two modes in your limited and limiting human terms.

So, as you see from this discourse, no matter from what position you look at any cycles of time/state/process, up to this very point, the same rule applies to all of them as far as the issue of completeness and fullness of life as such and as the true life of the positive state is concerned. You can consider all these cycles as preparatory states/stages for the decision making and choice making process as related to the issue of eternalizing and immortalizing the sentient entities’ final and ultimate choices for the only one type of life — the full and complete life, and accompanying it, the full and complete true life of the positive state.

Peter: But what about the next cycle of time/state/process from the position of the two modes of perception?

The Lord Jesus Christ: You need to be reminded about two important things. One is the state of Creation and the other is the process of Creation. The next cycle is within My Absolute State but it is not in its process. Therefore, it is, but it is not in its process yet. It is only in its state. The state does not conceive the notion of the past, present and future. The process does. The state is of the objective mode of perception and the process is of the subjective mode. Within Me they both always are. Anytime the need arises, I shift anything needed from its state into its process. Within each individual sentient entity, because he/she is a self-enclosed universe unto himself/herself, the state is conceptualized as its process because of the relative condition of that individualized and personalized universe. In relationship to Me such individual is always in his/her process. Within himself/herself, as seen from his/her own self-perception, he/she is in the condition of his/her own state, reflecting My Absolute State in his/her own relative state. Whenever any individual is turned into himself/herself, he/she is in his/her own state. Whenever he/she turns his/her attention outside of himself/ herself, he/she is in his/her process. In the state of his/her within, no time factors are applicable. Simply stated, he/she is — period. However, in the moment he/she shifts from the state of self-absorption or his/her own state of within, to the state of without or to someone or something else, in that very moment, he/she becomes his/her own process. The originating point of everything is always the state. Its manifestation outside of that state becomes its realistic process. Whereas in the state itself no categories of time and space are possible or conceivable, the entire process itself is built on the factors of temporal-spatial categories. Otherwise, you could not relate. Any relationship, in order to be a meaningful and perceptible relationship, has to have an impression that it relates from somewhere or from someone to something or someone outside of its state. And because there is a certain flow in the process of the relationship, it takes time for registering that the relationship is being initiated.

So, what is going to happen when the state of the next cycle within Me is shifted from its state into its process, when it becomes its own reality both in the objective and subjective mode of the perception of reality? Because the quality and the content of that cycle has absolutely nothing in common with any other cycle in any mode, by its very nature, structure and dynamics, it will cancel out their actual being and existence. Simply stated, all those cycles, with all their experiences and events, and with everything they contained, will be placed into the Universality-Of-It-All for eternal preservation. Because the Universality-Of-It-All is a self-contained, discrete and self-enclosed entity, whatever it contains within itself, cannot have any impact or influence on anything or anyone outside of its sphere and atmosphere. Only upon its entrance, its content becomes available to anyone who enters it with a well-defined and well-established purpose. The memory of their prior being and existence will be removed from all sentient entities, so that such memories would not interfere with anything which will be contained in the new cycle. Such memories will likewise be in the Universality-Of-It-All. Whenever there will be a need to recall anything from the other cycles, for whatever important purpose, or from your own prior personal and individual experiences, you will be allowed to enter the Universality-Of-It-All, and within its boundaries you will be able to accomplish your goals without any problems and without disturbing anyone outside of those boundaries.

Looking at the structural design of the multiverse from this perspective, it becomes obvious why it was indicated in some of the previous Dialogs, that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be transferred or transposed from any other cycles into the next one. Should anything at all be transposed to the next cycle, it would taint and poison the purity of the content of that cycle by the awareness of something related to the non-life of the negative state and human non-life. Do not forget one thing: Even if you were to transfer into the next cycle something positive and pleasant, without modification and removal from it anything related to the nature and condition under which it happened, you still would be transferring something which is characteristic of an incomplete and non-full nature. Thus, you would be conveying to the next cycle something that does not belong there and which was acquired under the condition of the parallel co-existence of the positive versus the negative state, respectively. In essence, because embedded in the nature of incompleteness and non- fullness themselves there are imprints of the elements of the negative state and human state, by the very factor of this embedding, you would be transferring to the next cycle something of the negative state. Because in that something is reflected the totality of the pseudo-nature of the negative state and human state, you would be conveying to that cycle the entirety of the negative state. As you know, the rule is that any part of the whole contains all aspects of its whole because the whole consists of its parts. From this you can see the tremendous danger of such transfer or transposition. It is like playing with fire. If you play with it long enough, at one point you get burned. You could even be entirely destroyed by it. Such are the contaminating effects of any particle of the negative state and the human state.

From everything said above, you can see the rationale why nothing can be transferred, transposed or conveyed from any previous cycles into the next one and why everything contained within their sphere and atmosphere has to be placed into the Universality-Of-It-All; and why the Universality-Of-It-All has to be closed off within its own boundaries without having any connection to anything or anyone in the new cycle. Only under these types of conditions could the fullness and completeness of life as such and, accompanying it, the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state be established.

As you see from the above, for the first time, we are making a clear distinction between the fullness and completeness of life as such and the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state. These two have a distinctly different character. Whereas life as such has an all-inclusive general connotation as the source of anyone or anything living and alive, and whereas it is the Absolute Condition of I AM WHO I AM — Me, the true life of the positive state is a derivative and a form of the manifestation of Life as such or of My Absolute I AM WHO I AM. The true life of the positive state is absolutely dependent on the Life as such, as it is in its Absolute Condition — in Me, while the Life as such does not depend on anyone or anything because it is Me. As you know, I am in the Absolute State and Process of the Absolute Independency.

The current spiritual situation is such that it requires from you to know this crucial distinction. And although in the past we were often talking about life as such and the true life of the positive state, we have never mentioned yet that life as such is not in its full and complete manifestation. We have only been talking specifically about the incompleteness and non-fullness of the true life of the positive state. The secret of this mystery was embedded in the fact, only recently revealed, that, by everyone’s agreement, no one is living a full and complete life and that therefore, their current type of life will expire upon the closure of the current cycle of time/state/process. The reason for this situation or agreement was revealed above. However, now is the time for you to know about these mysteries and their secrets. The presently existing spiritual development is ripe for this revelation. And you, as My true representatives on planet Zero, are receiving this information, together with everyone else in the positive state and elsewhere in order to prepare humanity and everyone else positioned in the non-life of the negative state for their future salvation. By having this information available, as you read these words, they become the property of the unconscious parts of the humanity’s cache of knowledge, as well as of the entirety of the negative state’s cache of knowledge, which, in the opportune time, will be pulled out from that cache and conveyed to their conscious awareness, giving them the opportunity to acquire the real truth about all these matters and, based on that, to unchoose their type of non-life. The importance of this revelation cannot be emphasized enough. Although at first glance it seems too impractical and too theoretical and abstract, I can assure you that its real concrete and tangible impact on all will be incalculable.

Peter: How do you reconcile Your statement made in Dialog 130 with what You indicated just above? Let me quote Your statement from Dialog 130: On the other hand, as you remember, the structure, nature, dynamics and manifestation of the previous and succeeding cycles, which do not contain anything related to the non-life of the negative state, human non-life and their egos, could be retained in everyone’s overt memories or recall. If they enter the Universality-Of-It-All from the position of all other cycles but the current one, they do not enter the state of separation and isolation. For that reason, their memories would not have any disturbing impact on anyone. As a matter of fact, such memories would be welcomed by all because they would enhance their individual lives — in a purely positive connotation, not containing anything related to the negative state and human non-life, — by the process of sharing such memories with them. Isn’t this statement in contradiction to the above statement related to this issue?

The Lord Jesus Christ: At first glance, it would seem that way. However, in the true reality of this setup, the way you have to look at it, is from a typical standpoint of metaphysical cosmology. As you noticed in the statement of Dialog 130, it is obvious that the previous cycles did not contain anything from the non-life of the negative state and human non-life. They were not in a state of separation and isolation. Within those cycles, such states were only in a condition of potentiality but no actuality. Because of that they were in the state of integration and unification. As you remember from metaphysical cosmology, in order to invent, fabricate, activate, establish and manifest anything at all contained in the nature, structure, dynamics and process of the negative state and its human non-life, it was necessary to abolish (temporarily or for the time being) the states of integration and unification and, instead, to establish the states of isolation and separation. Because the states of integration and unification are of purely positive nature, their notion as such, could be utilized, if needed and necessary, during the process of assessment of structural types of integration and unification that would be considered for building the next cycle. However, as is obvious from the above statement in this Dialog (150), in order to do that, you would have to modify and remove from those cycles anything related to the nature and condition under which they functioned in their own brand of unification and integration. In other words, you would have to subtract from them anything related to the issue of potentiality for the negative state to be invented and fabricated, as well as the notion of being in non-fullness and incompleteness of life as such and in the brand of life of the positive state under which they operated and functioned.

During the recording of Dialog 130, the spiritual situation was such that it contained the need to assess anything at all which was an integral component of the previous cycles. In the process of that assessment something was discovered that related to the issue of integration and unification. It presented itself to the sentient minds for their consideration and possible utilization during the development of the building plans for the next cycle of time (when the time comes to do that). From the position of that assessment, at that time/state, it seemed like a good idea to take those notions and include them in the process of the future development of those plans. However, as further spiritual development and progression have been taking place, and as some secrets and mysteries have been in the process of being revealed (as contained in this Dialog, for example), in the process of their assessment, it became obvious that a much better deal in this respect would be not to utilize anything from any previous cycles because of the notion of incompleteness and non-fullness under which they operated and functioned.

To make a just and proper choice in this matter, it was necessary to give everyone a notion that certain things, related to the states of integration and unification, with the subtraction of anything related to the conditions under which their life was established (non-fullness and incompleteness), could be considered in the process of the future planning for the building of the next cycle. Once everyone considered this possibility, and once more Dialogs were recorded, it became obvious to all that there would be no need to retain anything from those cycles in order to utilize them for anything related to the next cycle.

As you see from the above example, it gives you a very good idea how changes can occur and how the principles of spiritual progression are being manifested and utilized; and how everyone can and may change their mind about anything at all. This is one of the important reasons, why such seeming contradictions or discrepancies are allowed to take place even on the platform of these Dialogs. It is, among many other things, for a clear illustration and demonstration of this important spiritual fact. This also helps to avoid falling into a dogmatic, rigid and stagnant state as related to the principles of spiritual progression or the spiritual issues in general.

Moreover, and most importantly, the statement in Dialog 130 talks about acquiring those memories, related to the previous cycles, from the Universality-Of-It-All and not retaining them directly in their memories which they will have during the next cycle. So, in this sense, no contradiction exists between what was conveyed to you in Dialog 130 and in this Dialog.

Peter: What a meaningful and prolific revelation! I can’t thank You enough for everything conveyed to us in this, as well as in all other Dialogs from the very first one to the present one. Is there anything else You would like to add or to convey to us on the platform of this Dialog?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, there is. And you are welcome. It is My pleasure to tell My children about all these things. Now, Peter, with this 150th Dialog we are going to close the second volume of our dialoging. As mentioned previously, the closure of the current phase of the ongoing shift is connected with the completion of the second volume of Dialogs. I can reveal it to you, that today, this closure has taken place. As mentioned above, at this junction of closure, and before the opening of the next phase, an interim period is being instituted.

During this interim period, it will be necessary to undertake certain things; to allow certain events to be manifested; to take certain steps; to make certain decisions; to make certain important choices; to undergo certain assessments and evaluations; to deeply study everything contained in these Dialogs and in My New Revelation in general; to have certain important discussions among yourselves; to have certain ventures in some of your personal and individual lives; and to do many other important things which will become apparent as you proceed in your lives during this interim period.

The next phase of this shift cannot be opened until all these things take place. As mentioned before, externally, you may not be able to experience any apparent changes in your human life. Some of you may and some of you may not. Or some of you will not feel too much different and some of you will feel tremendous difference. Whatever the case may be, remember, as indicated to you above, it is the way it is supposed to be in each and every case of your individualized and personalized lives. Nothing better or different would be proper for you to experience or to go through.

To make it much easier for you to go through all of this, please, accept this fact in all your modesty, humbleness and humility. Otherwise, your life could be complicated beyond any measure. What is needed from you now is the full acceptance of these facts without complaining about your situation, no matter what it is — be it spiritual, mental, physical, financial, relational, marital, social, professional, or anything else.

You may share your situation with anyone you wish and with anyone who is willing to listen to your problems, but without imposing them on anyone and without being bitter, resentful and disappointed about them. Such sharing would be for the purpose of illustration and demonstration of your full unconditional acceptance of your situation and its problems, showing to all that you have full trust, faith and confidence in My Divine Providence and that such things are permitted for a very good reason. And in your cases, they are permitted not as a means for some kind of punishment or retaliation for something you have done wrong or wrongly chosen, but simply because spiritual needs require from you to go through all of that and that you agreed to all of that even though you have no apparent or conscious memories that such was the case. If you do that, you will really reflect the fact of being My true representatives on planet Zero.

Will our dialogings continue with their third volume? It will all depend on what is going to happen during this interim period and what the needs will be of the new phase of the shift. They may or may not. It also depends on your personal situation and condition, Peter, as well as on your physical health, and the choices which will be made from our side of the fence. It is a good idea to prepare yourself for both possibilities. During the interim period, you will need to embark on certain ventures, to encounter certain experiences, to set up certain important spiritual conditions wherever you will find yourself during this time — be it in the physical or spiritual realms. What they will be, cannot be revealed in advance. They will become obvious as you find yourself in whatever situation and condition you will be in at each moment of time.

In the meantime, in order to gather your spiritual, mental and physical strength, which has been considerably depleted by our recent intense dialoging (all your available energies went into that), we will pause with offering any further Dialogs. Not only you, but also all their readers need to take a break so that they can study and consider their content and meaning in depth. For the next two-three months, as the interim period lasts, either no dialogs will be coming your way, or if they will be coming somewhere along the line of this period, they will not become available to anyone until the Fall.

If following the interim period no Dialogs will be forthcoming, or if they will not take place during the interim period, it will signify an important shift in the fabric of Creation and pseudo-creation, which will require from all of you to take an entirely different position. In your case, Peter, it will mean that either you will be recalled from planet Zero, or some other spiritually important work will be assigned to you. Whatever the case will be, it is the way it is supposed to be. As mentioned before, nothing different or better will work.

If there will be a need to record some more Dialogs, by opening the third volume of our Dialogs, I will let you know, or you will know by the means of your intuition that it is time to proceed with that work. In the meantime, rest, take it easy, enjoy your life, be of good cheer and prepare yourself to undertake your upcoming ventures — whatever they may be. I am suspending our dialoging. Go now in peace.

Peter: Thank You very much for this profound Dialog. Although I fully realize the need for this important break, nevertheless, it somewhat saddens me to know that no more dialoging will be taking place — at least for some time, if at all.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 2.

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