ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FIFTH DIALOGUE

June 3, 2000

Peter: Are we ready to continue our discussion about the topic mentioned at the end of the previous Dialog (144)? Or is there anything else that You feel is needed to be brought to our attention first before going into the mentioned topics?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, we are ready; and, yes, there is something else that I would like to briefly mention or reiterate once again before going into anything else. As it became obvious from the correspondence you received yesterday from Eastern Europe, there is some misunderstanding and possible misinterpretation of our statements about the shift in asking questions and getting answers. It always amazes you, Peter, how different readers of these Dialogs may have a different understanding of what they contain. As if they do not pay enough attention to what is really being conveyed in the Dialogs. Because of that, they come up with conclusions which do not always precisely reflect the true reality of meaning that the Dialogs talk about. Some concluded that no more questions will be accepted and thus, no more dialoging will occur because there is enough material covered in them to last you the rest of your life on planet Zero (which is, in some way, true). Others believe that dialoging will continue unabated and that, therefore, asking questions and getting answers to them by the means of our dialoging will remain for a long period of time (even this assumption, in some way, may be true). And some others have, more or less, a correct understanding of what it is that we were talking about in this respect.

So, what is it that has been conveyed to you precisely regarding this issue? Let us reiterate it once again: In some earlier Dialogs, it was indicated several times over, that the responsibility for determining whether your questions should be addressed to Me through Peter so that they could be answered on the platform of these Dialogs or whether they should be addressed to Me by you personally without their inclusion in these Dialogs, is entirely on each prospective inquirer. As is obvious from the many questions that were coming your way, Peter, this requirement was very obviously bypassed by everyone, or by most of the readers’ conscious awareness. Simply stated, they disregarded it. Recently though, as is obvious from Dialog 141, it was clearly indicated that the situation will considerably change in this respect. Based on that statement, some of you assumed that it means the immediate ending of our dialoging. However, although such a possibility does exist as one of the many options, it did not refer to the immediate situation, as is obvious from the fact that, following the recording of that Dialog, we have had more dialoging taking place. What was indicated though in that Dialog, was that we are approaching the time/state when the current chapter in the phase of the shift which is going on will be closed, and that a new chapter or new phase will be coming into place. The closure of that chapter and the opening of the new one will require a new approach and a new understanding, and based on that, a new requirement for how you are all to proceed from that point on.

Now, the statement about the closure of this particular chapter in the currently ongoing phase within the frame of the mentioned shift does not at all mean that this closure has already happened. We are not there yet. We are about to be there. How long that ‘about’ will last, depends on many factors that need to be determined and on many events and choices that need to occur. They are in the process of taking place as we speak but it will take time/state before they are fully completed or will take place. In the interim period, before the actual closure and opening happen, the state of preparation is being instituted which tells you about these impending changes. While this interim period lasts, not much difference exists between what you have been doing and experiencing up to this point, as well as will be doing and experiencing to the time/state of this closure and what you will be required to do and to experience following the opening of the next chapter or phase.

The issue here relates to asking questions and getting answers to them. Will such need continue or will it be necessary to continue in this mode of communication or conveyance of information from Me to you by whatever mode — either through Peter or by your own effort? It all will depend on the nature of the needs that the spiritual climate of that new phase or chapter will require. However, the obvious nature of that phase in the shift will be self-reliance and everyone’s full responsibility and accountability in all aspects of their individualized and personalized lives and in the nature of the quality of everyone’s individuality which will be needed to fully come into the foreground of your lives. Under those new conditions, several possibilities may be instituted — as far as the issue of asking questions and getting answers on the platform of these Dialogs is concerned. First of all, it is possible that no more dialoging of this nature will take place because Peter will either be recalled from planet Zero or he will be assigned a different work in My services while still on planet Zero. In either case, his energies will be fully needed to be directed to something else. Secondly, dialoging of this nature will continue but perhaps with lesser frequency and only when questions truly multiversal in nature will be asked or if something important will be needed to be conveyed to you on the platform of these Dialogs. Thirdly, the shift may occur from ceasing to ask any questions anymore to full implementation and practice of all that which is contained in My New Revelation. Fourthly, the questions you may want to ask will be deducible from everything which is contained in My New Revelation and you will be required to train yourself in using your deductive abilities to derive all answers to them on your own. Fifthly, any questions you may have will need to be answered on your own by means of your intuition from Me in you without any mediation. Subsequently, the rightness of the answers that you receive you will need to corroborate by the principles of My New Revelation in order to make sure that you are not mislead, either by your own wishful thinking or by some deceiving renegade or his minion.

With the exception of the first case scenario, all others may be implemented at the very same time; meaning, to some degree they may occur simultaneously and synchronously in accordance with the spiritual needs of that time/state. Thus, besides full implementation and practice, in some instances, some questions may be answered on the platform of these Dialogs (if Peter is still available for that purpose); some will be answered by your own efforts; and some will be deducible from everything contained in My New Revelation.

For your information, all the above will not come to its full implementation until the second volume of these Dialogs is completed. The completion or closure of the current chapter or phase in this shift, is contingent on the closure of the second volume of our Dialogs. So, do not expect too many changes in this respect until that time (as related to the issue of asking questions and getting their answers on the platform of these Dialogs). However, bear in mind, please, that the issue of responsibility for determination of whether your questions should be submitted to Me via Peter or whether they should be answered by your own effort without any mediation, has been in place for some time now. Unfortunately, most of you, or many of you, disregarded this requirement and have not taken that responsibility on your shoulders. This disregard led, to a certain degree, to your dependency on Peter in this respect. Such a dependency, as well as any dependencies at all on the external factors, contains spiritual danger because it puts you in support of the nature of human non-life in particular and the non-life of the negative state in general. As you know, their non-lives are founded on such external dependencies. So, please, take heed, and assume your full responsibility in this, or any other respect.

At this point, we are going to close this issue and address something else — as indicated at the end of Dialog 144. What will follow will have some relevance to the question which was asked some time ago, shortly after your surgery, Peter, by Radomir Pasternak of Ostrava, in the Czech Republic. His question related to the multiversal spiritual hierarchy of organization which was and is in place and by which the proper and correct regulation, maintenance and course of the entire Creation is being executed.

Peter: Before You proceed, I want to express my gratitude and appreciation to You for the very timely reminder about our responsibilities related to the determination of how questions should be asked and by what means answers to them should be received. Thank You very much.

The Lord Jesus Christ: You are welcome, Peter. And now let us proceed with the issue in question. We are going to begin with some historical events which took place shortly after the so-called fall of man. Historically speaking, you can distinguish several phases in the process of creation of My Creation from the position of its process and not from the position of its state. As you know, Creation in its state has been from eternity an integral component of My Absolute Sentient Mind. The shift from its state to its process constitutes the factual and actual occurrence of its process — creation of Creation as such. As you also know, Creation was created from specific energies and their very specific various qualities by means of their emanations from My Absolute Essence through My Absolute Substance.

Before the actual process of creation of My Creation had taken place, it was preceded by the creation of a very special type of sentient entities who are summarily called — angels. You can consider these special sentient entities, as coming into their own being and existence, to be the very first emanations that sprang forth from Me as a precursor to the shift from the state of My Creation into its process of becoming. The nature of these sentient entities was determined by the various different qualities contained in the first surge of energies emanating from My Absolute Desire for My Creation to be in its process. This nature was also determined by the quality of the function, role and assignment which they were to execute, both in the process of creation of My Creation itself and after that process became actual and factual reality in its own right. In the first round of these sentient entities’ functions, they were to assist Me in the process of creation of My Creation and in the creation of all subsequently created sentient entities who would have, as compared to the very first surge of My emanation, totally different functions, roles and assignments in accordance with the nature, structure and dynamics of various components of which My Creation consist.

As creation of My Creation proceeded into its process, becoming the actual and factual entity in its own right, seen as now being outside of Me and not only inside of Me, from emanations which were beamed out from various different levels of My Absolute State and My Absolute Process and their respective very specific qualities, different circles of Creation and their respective very specific and very different sentient entities with their very specific qualities appeared or came into their own specific being and existence. This factor can be considered as the very first step in the establishment of the hierarchy of the spiritual organization which was to rule My entire Creation and its entire multiverse (inner or spiritual, intermediate or mental, and external or physical). Once the initial phase of creation of My Creation into its process was completed, it established an integrative, unified and harmonious condition which reflected the integrative and unified condition of My Absolute Nature. Under this condition, all circles and levels of My Creation with all their respective individualized and personalized qualities, and with all their sentient entities and with the specific qualities of their own individualities, no matter how infinitely different they were, functioned as a cohesive oneness. In this cohesive oneness is rooted the nature, structure and dynamics of My positive state which was instituted as a result of My creative effort. Because of it, all levels, degrees, dimensions and their various aspects of My Creation and their respective sentient entities worked together, interacting, seeing each other and being in each other’s company as needed and if needed without any restrictions or limitations or any security considerations. Thus, no boundaries existed in crossing from one level to any other level or from one dimension to another or from one state to another in My Creation. In this setup, inner-spiritual, intermediate-mental and external-physical did not have any visible boundaries which would prevent anyone from crossing over in any direction — either vertically or horizontally or in any other way.

In this sense, you could visualize the structure of My Creation as one multidimensional and multimodal circle which fully functioned as the absolute equality of its components, qualities and sentient entities. Everyone’s function, role and assignment, no matter what kind of responsibilities anyone had and no matter what kind of position anyone occupied in that circle, were considered as important, as needed, as unique, as different, and as everything else as anyone else’s. For that reason, under this arrangement, no notions of preferences of one over another could enter anyone’s mind. Such notions were inconceivable to any sentient mind. This is how things were following the immediate time/state of My Creation’s establishment into its process.

In order to make it possible for a concrete and tangible interaction, cooperation and relationship amongst all sentient entities to take place, each such sentient entity was assigned a very specific and unique name. That name fully reflected the specific nature, structure, dynamics and quality of his/her individuality as well as his/her position, role and assignment. At the same time, as various individuals clustered into groups for the purpose of coordination of their creative efforts, they formed various societies which had similar, albeit individually, very much qualitatively different, tasks in the course of their functions, roles and assignments. Because of that, these societies were also given names, as if they were individuals. These names fully contained the meaning of their nature, structure, dynamics and qualities. Very often, the same name which one individual had in his/her position of being in supreme charge of that society, was given to the respective society as well.

This is how things were shortly following the creation of My Creation into its process. As you remember, at one point in time/state, certain questions were about to enter sentient minds. These questions would eventually lead to the invention, activation, establishment and manifestation of what would become known as the non-life of the negative state. Because such questions would enter only the minds of those who were positioned on the external-physical level, and from their position those questions would spread out to the entire circle of Creation, it was provided that they would be asked on behalf of all sentient entities on that level as well. A certain group of people, who were the most advanced in all accumulated knowledges, available to them at that time, volunteered to allow those questions to enter their minds and to be not only asked by them but also to provide answers to all those questions by the means of the concrete, tangible and experiential mode which was the very nature of the external-physical portion of the circle in question.

The first step or phase in this respect was the asking of questions. During this phase, the blueprint of the structure, nature and dynamics of Creation, the way it was at that time/state, was firmly embedded into the cache of their knowledges. All other available inventions and knowledges were included into that cache as well. In the second phase, which can be considered as the activation phase, the non-life of the negative state began to, gradually and slowly, establish itself in the lives of those who agreed to take part in that process. During this phase, their full separation and isolation from the positive state and activation by them of the Zone of Displacement had not yet taken place. Because of that, these entities or people established their own clans within the circle of Creation itself. In this respect, only a limited degree of separation and isolation had taken place in that, within the societies of the circle they originally occupied, they established separate groups which became distinguished from all other groups which were not in the same position as they were. Thus, at that time/state, you could find both the so-called positive entities and now, the so-called negative entities, side by side within the same domain or heaven. However, at that point, they stopped mixing together on a regular basis.

In the process of completion of the second phase, which is called the phase of activation of the negative state, two things were occurring simultaneously. One thing was an all-out effort to spread the sphere of influence of the negative groups over all the other groups and to establish their outposts in as many levels of the circle of Creation as possible; and the other was to sway as many other sentient entities as possible to their cause. As a result of this effort, a spiritual struggle or spiritual war — if you want to call it that, ensued, which had continued for a long time (in your conceptualization of time). During this phase, some entities from all other levels of the circle of Creation, for their own important spiritual reasons, and for the reasons of representation of all its levels in the permitted experiment in the other type of life other than the true life of the positive state, decided to join the original group of people who agreed to ask those questions and provide their answers from all aspects of their content and meaning. As you know, later on, these people were called the pseudo-creators.

At one point of this phase, the participants in this effort recognized the fact that in order to succeed in the full and complete activation, establishment and manifestation of the non-life of the negative state, they would need to fabricate their own pseudo-creation which would have nothing in common with the true Creation and which therefore, needed to be totally separated, isolated and put into a different state/space/time/paratime/condition/process than the true Creation was. They found such a state/space in the Zone of Displacement which, as you remember, was empty or which was used for expelling all ideas of the sentient minds related to their free will and choice to reject Me as the true source of their lives (among many other things). Within that Zone they established their own domain which they named Hells, as opposed to the name Heavens.

As you remember, they separated a ‘chunk’ of the matter/state from the original one used for the creation of the external-physical dimension in the circle of Creation, and from that ‘chunk’ they fabricated the Hells and all other pseudo-worlds of the Zone of Displacement. Thus, they excluded themselves from the rest of Creation. This exclusion, later on, was conceived by the scholars of mysticism, as a forceful and violent act which happened between the archangel Michael and his cohorts and between the devil or Satan and his cohorts. The name devil and Satan, in their original connotation, before the so-called Fall (the invention and activation of the negative state), did not have a negative meaning as it has now or as it acquired following the Fall. In fact, it represented the quality and content of the external-physical portion of the circle of Creation. However, due to the fact that it was from this level that the questions were about to be asked, and the answers that were going to be about provided, that these names acquired a purely negative and ominous connotation. For that reason, the group of people who volunteered to ask these questions and provide all the answers to them, were called devil and Satan as well. As you know, we call them the pseudo-creators. That before the invention and activation of the negative state the name ‘Satan’ had an entirely different connotation, is obvious from the fact that he, or they (the word ‘Satan’ is not meant to be only one particular person but the entire society which was in charge of the external-physical portion of the circle of Creation) had full and equal access to the so-called throne of God as all other sentient entities who were created by Me during the very first surge of emanation of My energies for the purpose of creation of My Creation into its process.

Thus, it is obvious that the name ‘Satan’ meant a specific quality related to the nature, structure and dynamics of the external-physical dimension or universe within the original circle of Creation. In that position, that name had a positive connotation. After all, someone had to represent its external-physical portion in the hierarchy of the spiritual organization and its heavenly circle. Satan was represented in that circle. However, once the so-called Fall occurred, the group called ‘Satan’ was expelled or expelled itself from that circle and established itself in the Zone of Displacement. Following this act, the name ‘Satan’ and ‘devil’ acquired a purely negative and evil connotation.

As you see from these facts, we are building here a foundation on which it will become obvious why even the so-called Satan and devil will be able to convert to the positive state at an opportune time/state. After all, evilness and negativity were not in the content of their original individualized and personalized qualities. They were acquired later on in the process of trying to find the most needed and feasible answers to all those existential questions which were about to enter the sentient minds. Having the original positive nature, it is impossible to eliminate or totally void that nature by any means. Such an effort would eternally eliminate My presence in them and with them. Without My presence, they could do absolutely nothing. However, it was possible to isolate, separate and close off that nature and My presence in it and with it in such a manner that, for all practical purposes, it was perceived by them as if I had no presence in them and with them at all. This was a very much necessary perception, or their turning their back on Me, in order for them to be able to invent, activate, establish and manifest all aspects of the non-life of the negative state. As you remember, with My direct and obvious presence, nothing of that nature could happen because I cannot be present in any phases of invention, activation, establishment and manifestation of the non-life of the negative state.

Due to the fact that they all do contain within them, albeit buried and forgotten, their original positive nature, at one point in time, after everything related to the negative state is fulfilled and completed, that nature will be brought to the forefront of their conscious awareness and the superimposed negative and evil one will fall away from them. Following that, they will be placed into their original position with an entirely new, different and purely positive quality. At that time, they will be given a new name and designation and such names as ‘Satan’ and ‘devil,’ because of their present purely negative, ominous and evil connotation, will be erased from everyone’s memories, including theirs.

The process of separation, isolation and exclusion of the pseudo-creators and their followers from the positive state is described in verse 3, Chapter 6 of Genesis: ‘And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”’ That ‘My Spirit shall not strive with man forever’ signifies that there is no longer any room for anyone of negative nature in the positive state, right under My nose, so-to-speak, as the case was at that time/state. ‘For he is indeed flesh’ denotes the extreme case of externalization (‘flesh’) which makes it possible for the activation of the non-life of the negative state to take place. That its non-life is transient and temporary and cannot last forever is depicted by the words, ‘yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.’ ‘One hundred and twenty years’ does not at all mean the physical duration of anyone’s lifespan. Instead, it means temporality and transience. In this sense, ‘one hundred’ means until the fullness and completeness of illustration, demonstration and manifestation of all aspects of the non- life of the negative state are completed in its evils and falsities (‘twenty’). ‘Twenty’ in this connotation means the entire conglomeration of all evils and falsities which the negative state can produce and which are fully and entirely exhaustible because they did not originate in the Absolute State.

So, how did things evolve following the split in the fabric of Creation and its circle? What happened afterwards? As you remember, the pseudo-creators took with themselves the blueprint of the hierarchy of the spiritual organization which was established shortly after My Creation was created. Also, they retained and further developed all available knowledge which was accessible to all sentient entities at a different level of their spiritual quality and evolvement. However, the pseudo-creators of that time were in the position of having a special ability that made it possible for them to have the most advanced understanding and application of that knowledge in comparison with others who were in a different position not requiring this special ability. In the foresight of the need to invent, activate, establish and manifest the non-life of the negative state, and in the foresight that they will be the ones who would volunteer to ask all those existential questions on behalf of all, the pseudo-creators were endowed with this special ability which included the life-making process.

Once they established themselves in the Zone of Displacement and began to construct a different world, called the Hells, their first effort was to fabricate various sentient creatures who would mimic the role, position and assignment which existed in the positive state of the Heavens. In fact, as you remember from the Big Book (Chapter 29), from the blueprint they had, they copied the structural design of Creation and its hierarchy of the spiritual organization and established the same type of hierarchy but with an entirely different, in fact, opposing purpose, which existed in the positive state of the Heavens.

What was the basic structural design of the Heavens at that time and before I acquired My New Nature? In the process of the creation of My Creation, when it was shifted from its state to its process, from the very surge of emanation of My Absolute Nature, in the first round of this process, or, more precisely, shortly before the process of Creation began, a special type of sentient entities were created with a very special designation of their roles, positions, assignments and with special types of qualities of their individualities, relevant to them. Because Creation after the shift from its state into its process would become relative to the Absolute, in order for it to survive in the presence of the Absolute, it was necessary to create a special type of protection and shielding or, better to say, special types of mediators, who would be able to temper all aspects of My Absolute Divine Love and Divine Wisdom, as well as all other aspects of My Absolute Nature (the Old Nature), and redistribute them to all in succession throughout My Creation and to Creation itself in accordance with everyone’s and everything’s specific individualized and personalized qualities of their unique individualities.

Basically, several groups of such mediators were emanated from the special energies of My Absolute Nature. These groups were formed into special types of societies that carried on the assignment of this redistribution and titration of everything contained in My Absolute Nature. As a whole, each group or society was given a special name which reflected the quality, structure, nature and dynamic of its functions. You may know nine such names which were handed down and, later on, registered or recorded in various scrolls or books throughout the history of spiritual development and which were made available also to some humans (who were fabricated by the pseudo- creators much later). The names in question, in succession of spiritual order, are as follows: seraphim, cherubim, thrones, dominations, puissance(s), virtues, principalities, archangels and angels. These beings or societies formed what became known as the central circle of ruling, positioned (hypothetically speaking) above Creation in order to mediate, protect, shield and temper the intensity and extensity of all Absolute Attributes of My Absolute Nature. They were positioned in relationship to each other around a hypothetical roundtable or in an imaginary circle in order to reflect the structural design of Creation which proceeds in these imaginary and actual circles as well.

If you can imagine such a circle on a flat piece of paper, then you will be able to visualize something as follows: On the top of the circle were positioned seraphim. Next to them on their imaginary one side were positioned cherubim; on the other imaginary side of them were positioned thrones. Next to the cherubim were positioned dominations. Next to the thrones were positioned puissance(s). Next to the dominations and puissance(s) and in the center of the circle were positioned virtues. Next to them on the side of dominations were positioned principalities. Next to them on the side of puissance(s) were positioned archangels. And on the bottom of the circle were positioned angels. Each society, as designated by the above names (these names do not reflect the precise reality as they were designated at that time, but they are the closest designation available in human language), consisted of many very special sentient entities who were endowed with various very special abilities needed to carry out the functions which were assigned to them. Each such sentient entity was given a special name which, in turn, reflected the nature, structure, dynamics and quality of his/her unique and specific individuality and which reflected the specific nature of the function that each society had.

In brief and imprecise terms: seraphim, among many other things, were mediating and tempering My Absolute Divine Love and all its attributes, traits and characteristics. Cherubim, among many other things, were mediating and tempering My Absolute Wisdom and all its attributes, traits and characteristics. Thrones, among many other things, were mediating and tempering the Absolute Truth and its Justice and all its attributes, traits and characteristics. Dominations, among many other things, were mediating and tempering My Absolute Good, Care and Majesty of My Nature and all their attributes, traits and characteristics. Puissance(s), among many other things, were mediating and tempering My Absolute Power, Might and Energies and all their attributes, traits and characteristics. Virtues, among many other things, were mediating and tempering My Absolute Innocence, Modesty, Humbleness and Humility and all their attributes, traits and characteristics. Principalities, among many other things, were mediating and tempering My Absolute State of Inwardness and My Absolute Spirituality and all their attributes, traits and characteristics. Archangels, among many other things, were mediating and tempering My Absolute Divine Providence and My Presence with and in everyone with all their attributes, traits and characteristics. And finally, angels, among many other things, were mediating and tempering My Absolute Will, Protection, Relationship and Individuality and all their attributes, traits and characteristics. This is how the function of each specific society was established. Of course, as mentioned above, there were many other societies with their specific functions of mediation and tempering and with their specific names, relevant to their functions. However, at this time, it is not proper for you to know them or about what kind of mediation and tempering of something stemming from My Absolute Nature they did at that time/state.

Now, the pseudo-creators originally followed this structure and established a similar organization throughout their domain. They assigned similar names to their societies and gave them similar functions as their counterparts in the positive state had but with a diametrically opposing nature. This was a necessary arrangement in order to balance out their domain against the domain of the positive state. Moreover, as you remember, from each level of the circle, someone volunteered to join the pseudo-creators in their cause which made it much easier for them to establish the same hierarchy of the spiritual organization as it was in the positive state.

I see, Peter, in your mind a question (actually, two questions) about a possible contradiction between the prior statement in the Big Book and elsewhere in My New Revelation that no one on that level or circle of My Creation partook in anything related to the negative state. The way you have to understand the above claim is that during the process of the invention and activation of the negative state, no one from that level or any other level, with the exception of the external-physical level, was participating in the process of invention and activation of the negative state. However, once this invention and activation took place or was firmly established, following that, some members of the mentioned circle decided, for their own very important spiritual reasons, and with My kind permission, to join the pseudo-creators in their effort in this respect.

The second question which came to your mind, Peter, and which has been troubling you, was a possible contradiction between My Statement that nothing in Me exists which is of relative nature and My ability to interact directly, individually and personally with all relative sentient entities on their relative level as one relative to another. It was indicated before, that the Absolute cannot approach the relative without annihilating it in its process. Yet, the claim was that everything I took with Me from planet Zero, before its inclusion in My Absolute Nature, was divinized or absolutized so that nothing of the relative nature would be contained within Me. There is a misunderstanding of the true nature of this fact. The divinized or absolutized portion of everything that I acquired on planet Zero and took with Me to My own Domain, has fully retained its original nature and experience of relativity without any longer being relative itself. They are two entirely different things, to be relative or to contain anything relative within the Absolute Nature and to be able to accommodate My Absolute Nature to the level of any relative sentient entity. The specificity of the nature and experience of everything relative, which I acquired during My stay on planet Zero, made this crucial and vital accommodation possible. This was one of the many reasons why I chose by My Own Absolute Free Will and Choice to incarnate on planet Zero into a condition of the most ultimate and extreme relativity. So, as you see from this explanation, Peter, no contradiction exists in this respect. All happened and happens exactly the way it is supposed to happen.

Peter: Thank You very much for clearing my mind on these two issues.

The Lord Jesus Christ: You are welcome. Now, let us continue with our historical discourse. The reason we have decided to travel into the annals of the history of Creation and pseudo-creation, is for making things right and for dispelling any distortions and falsities about what happened at that time/state. So, once the pseudo-creators established the above mentioned hierarchy of their own pseudo-spiritual organization, patterned in accordance with the blueprint they brought with them after they were expelled from the positive state, and once they fabricated their own circle of powers as in the above described organization, and mainly from those of the positive state’s circles who joined them, they proceeded with the next step. As you remember, in this step, they wanted to imitate My creative efforts in that they decided to fabricate their own type of sentient entities who would carry their own likenesses and images. As I created the original sentient entities in My Own Likeness and Image, so did the pseudo-creators decide to do the same, with the exclusion of anything which was contained in My Own Likeness and Image. By this time, the pseudo- creators’ original likeness and image, which they had from Me, was completely distorted and bastardized because, once you reject carrying within you My Likeness and Image, you cannot continue to have the same one as before.

As you remember from the Big Book, at one point of their experimentation with the life-making process, they succeeded in fabrication of the first humans who reflected their own distorted and bastardized likeness and image. Thus, as you know, the original humans, in the first round of their fabrication, were fabricated in the likeness and image of the pseudo-creators. This factor is reflected in the first verse of Chapter 6 of Genesis. It is stated in that verse, ‘Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them…’. This verse contains the fact that in the process of long experimentation (‘now it came to pass’) many humans were fabricated into the position of pure externals (‘on the face of the earth’) or into the likeness and image of the pseudo-creators and into their own negative nature. That ‘daughters were born to them’ had two distinct connotations: One was acquirement of a very specific mentality that would be prone to the production of evils and falsities only; the other was fabrication of beautiful women whom some members of the pseudo-creators clan fabricated for the purpose of sexual play. This fact is reflected in the next verse (2) of Chapter 6 in Genesis. ‘…the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.’

From this unusual union a peculiar breed of human type of creatures appeared who had very little in common with what the present humanity looks like. As you remember from the Corollaries…, Jewish people are considered direct descendants of that union. However, this sexual union and the resultant birth of these peculiar humanoids could not continue in the same manner as before because of their unusual power and knowledge which could lead to the establishment of the non- life of the negative state and, now, the human non-life, that could last to eternity. This factor was not included in the original agreement under which the negative state was permitted to come to its own adverse fruition. As you know, the agreement was that the negative state with all its fabrications and productions would last only to the point when all existential questions would be properly and exhaustively answered and the needed lessons would be learned by all and everyone. Because such danger loomed and could become reality, it was necessary to put an end to the birth of this type of humanoids (or humans of that time). The ending of this phase is described in the Bible by the Great Flood.

Following the Great Flood, the pseudo-creators resumed their experimentation with a new breed of humans who would be deprived of such powers and knowledge as were contained in the humanoids (or first round of humans) who were the result of the pseudo-creators’ sexual involvement with women fabricated by them for that very purpose. In fact, the pseudo-creators themselves did not expect that from such a union unusually powerful and knowledgeable sentient entities would result who would endanger the original agreement. And not only that, but the pseudo-creators realized that these people- creatures would endanger their own position and power and would tend to replace them by either enslaving them to themselves or by destroying them altogether. Before it could come to this point, all those people were wiped out from the face of the earth and locked up in a special region of Hell where they underwent a special type of genetic, spiritual, correspondential and other type of rewiring (impossible for your human mind to comprehend) which entirely removed from them everything that was endangering the original agreement and that would be able to undermine the pseudo-creators’ position and control they had. In fact, after the pseudo-creators fabricated the second round of humans, the way they appear right now, they turned all those humanoids into humans proper and, from time to time, allowed them to incarnate on planet Zero as any regular humans would.

The knowledge of all these events, in the process of the history of humanity, was handed down from posterity to posterity, first, by oral tradition and later on, by recording it in writing. As this history was being handed down from one generation to another, in the process of its conveyance and copying from the written scrolls, the original and genuine content of those events was more and more distorted and misunderstood so that in their present form, the way they are available to you either in their fullness or, in most instances, in their very small fractions, very little remains from what really happened during those turbulent times/states. In the process of this history, many such books or scrolls appeared, the authorships of which were ascribed to well- known figures. There are such books as, for example, The Book of Enoch, The Zohar, Sefer Raziel (the book of an alleged angel, Raziel), The Book of Jubilees, The Book of Adam and Eve, The Apocalypse of Abraham, The Martyrdom of Isaiah, The Sixth and Seventh Book of Moses, The Greater Key of Solomon, The Apocalypse of Paul and numerous other books and scrolls, the authenticity and authorships of which are very much questionable, or even entirely false, and the contents of which are pure distortions and falsifications, as well as of misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the true hierarchy of the spiritual organization, the way it originally was on both sides of the fence, so-to-speak — on the positive side as well as on the negative side. For that reason, and in order not to confuse the human mind even more than it is already confused about all such issues, those books and scrolls were either entirely hidden or only some small fragments were allowed to be available to humans.

Now, the above described setup (its description is very much limited and accommodated to the degree that your human mind can apprehend), existed up to the time of My incarnation on planet Zero, with further substantial and profound modifications and changes which took place after I acquired My New Nature. Following that, nothing remained the same. From that time on, continuous progressive changes have been taking place in this respect which, to some limited degree, have been conveyed to you in the books of My New Revelation, and especially in these Dialogs. These changes in the hierarchical structure of the positive state, having their higher and higher degree of positiveness and goodness, are reflected in their opposite meaning in the hierarchical structure of the negative state and its human non-life, having their own lower and lower degree of negativeness and evilness. Such progressions or regressions, respectively, require continuous modifications in the structural designs of anything in order to accommodate them to the unceasing changes and restructurings that take place within all domains of the multiverse of My Creation and all pseudo-domains of the pseudo-creation. So, in this sense, we can repeat again and again that nothing is the same anywhere and anywhen and that, for that reason, do not even try to think about how things will be upon your recall in the other world because even if I were to describe to you how things are there today, they would not be the same upon your arrival to that world (whether in the positive or negative state, respectively). One thing you need to be aware of: At the time of the lockup of the pseudo-creators, which happened after My crucifixion, for some time, their regions in some Heavens, occupied by their own special type of fabrications, were allowed to stay there for some time (approximately to the time when Christianity was adopted as an official religion of the Roman empire). Following that, they were expelled from the Heavens entirely and pushed back to the intermediate world. Their removal from the intermediate world was fully accomplished upon completion and establishment of My New Nature.

How far were the pseudo-creators able to penetrate the Heavens and establish their own outposts there in the form of small regions of the hells? As you know, it was postulated in the above mentioned questionable books and scrolls that there were seven Heavens. The reality of this fact is that there were many more than that. After all, the inexhaustible qualities of all Absolute Attributes, Characteristics, Traits and everything else contained in My Absolute Nature cannot be limited to seven Heavens only. But this fact is an entirely different story. Now, as you know, each respective Heaven has its own three levels. Each such level can be considered as its own separate Heaven unto itself. The pseudo-creators were allowed to penetrate all the way to the third level of the first Heaven which, symbolically speaking, was situated below the second and the third Heaven and their respective levels. In the mind of someone who would be taken to, let us say, the third level of the first Heaven, it would seem as if he/she was present in the third Heaven.

This is exactly what happened to Apostle Paul. As you know, in one of his epistles (2 Corinthians 12:1-4), he talks about being taken to the third Heaven where he experienced the so-called wondrous things. Where was Paul actually taken and what was it that he really experienced? In actuality, Paul was taken to the third level of the first Heaven to its so-called northern region, or to what it spiritually corresponds, where the specific hell of the pseudo-creators was located and where their minions still resided. From Swedenborg’s writings as well as from My current New Revelation, you were made aware about the true nature of Paul and the nature of his role and assignment that he played during his life on planet Zero. With that kind of nature and role, he could not be taken to any other region but the one which was occupied by the negative and evil minions of the pseudo-creators having their own hell there side by side with the third level of the first Heaven. So, what kind of wondrous things did Paul experience there? In the original copy of his epistle, which deals with this experience, Paul wrote that he encountered there ‘angels of evil, terrible and without pity carrying savage weapons’ (those were spiritual correspondences that, appeared as savage weapons. Of course, Paul, at that time, had no notion about correspondences. He took everything literally, and not spiritually). However, later on, the confused editors of his letters or epistles (after all, how could it be that if Paul was in Heaven, he, in actuality, experienced there pure hell?) excluded this particular quote which describes the real experience that Paul had there, and modified it to make everyone believe that he really was in the third and real Heaven. Otherwise, it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to justify Paul’s sainthood and his devotion to My cause if they were to include such a confusing and controversial statement in the final version of his epistle. It did not go along with his being My holy apostle. Holy people are taken to the true Heaven and not to some kind of strange region which was supposedly situated in the same state/place as the real Heaven but which, in fact, was inhabited by evil angels.

Well, we are bringing all these facts to your attention at this time so that you are equipped with the right notions and ideas and consequently, become free from all the wrong and inappropriate ones. This is the issue, mentioned several times in these Dialogs, of making things right which were made wrong, or correcting things so that they are seen from their genuine and proper perspective. And because, you, as My true representatives on planet Zero, are in the role of carrying the right notions and ideas about all such important spiritual issues, this is the reason why we have been talking about them at this time. It is also in preparation for the closure of the current chapter or phase in the ongoing shift, and opening a new one. It is impossible to open the next chapter, unless certain important spiritual issues, instrumental to the opening of the next chapter, are seen in their proper light and in the truthfulness of their meaning and content.

Now, Peter, at this point I would recommend to finish for now. If any other Dialogs will need to be recorded, I’ll let you know.

Peter: I thank You very much for this very interesting discourse. Until the next time — if at all.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 2.

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