ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOURTH DIALOGUE

June 1, 2000

Peter: Today, I don’t have any questions of multiversal significance. Also, as of now, I have not received any from anyone else. I am just checking in to determine whether You have something to contribute or elaborate upon that we are ready to know or to consider.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for giving Me this opportunity for discussion of some important spiritual issues. As you know, at the end of Dialog 143, it was indicated to you that our dialoging will resume after something occurs. It did occur but its occurrence took place in our realm. On your side, for you personally, Peter, it resulted in bringing to your attention, as well as to your memory, two events which are somewhat connected. The first one relates to the concept of ‘innocence’ and ‘childhood,’ and the second, to something which is recorded in the Bible, Genesis 6:5-7. Let us begin with the concepts of ‘innocence’ and ‘childhood.’ The current spiritual climate requires that these two concepts be reiterated from the position of the nature of the currently established spiritual phase in the ongoing multiversal shift. As you remember, these concepts were previously discussed both in the Big Book, in the Corollaries… and in the earlier Dialogs (in the first volume).

At the onset of those discussions it was generally assumed that on planet Zero the concept, meaning and content of ‘innocence’ is reflected in and corresponds to the nature of childhood or children in general. Although, at one time, there were grains of truth in this assumption, at the present time, this is not the case. Before the time when it was indicated to you that no longer was anyone allowed to be born on planet Zero from the positive state, the people who incarnated on planet Zero from the positive state did have this representation and correspondence during their childhood. In the process of their childhood they did reflect the state of innocence in order to give humans some indication of what it means to be innocent and what the nature of people in the positive state is like. However, following the prohibition of incarnation on planet Zero of anyone from the positive state, this representation, reflection and spiritual correspondence of childhood ceased to be in place. Because, at the present time, no one is incarnating on planet Zero from the positive state; and because neither are any humans proper being born on it; and because only the representatives of the negative state are allowed to incarnate here, the concept of innocence is no longer reflected and represented in any of the newly born children, and thus, there is no longer any spiritual correspondence to the innocence in them. Instead, all such children now represent, reflect and spiritually correspond to the state of corruption, degradation and perversion of innocence and to the defilement of anything positive and good. In essence, presently, they represent the disguised, and very often even very obvious, state of evil and abomination of the nature of the non-life of the negative state which is being more and more imparted on all who live on planet Zero, with the exception of My overt and covert representatives.

This obvious revelation for some of you will be difficult to accept or to conceive. After all, in your view, children could be so cute and adorable. As you noticed, presently, very beautiful children are being born. But, what do you think, how else can the negative state establish its pseudo- winning on your planet, if not outwardly presenting itself as being cute, adorable and beautiful? This is the catch or trap of the negative state to make humans continuously believe that children are innocent, representing the state of positiveness and goodness, and therefore, they cannot be responsible and accountable for anything.

In order to establish the proper and correct understanding of the real face of what childhood currently represents, reflects and to what it corresponds, you, Peter, were exposed to many different experiences in your lifelong preparation for becoming the transmitter and recorder of My New Revelation, which at the time of their occurrence did not make too much sense for you. One such important experience, as related to the issue of children and innocence, happened approximately 46 years ago. That event slipped your memory, although, from time to time, it would surface in it with your wondering what that was all about. As you remember, we have repeated several times that certain events may happen in your life, which during their occurrence their significance is not so obvious from the position of that time, as it becomes obvious from the position of this time. So, the mentioned occurrence of your experience, Peter, which happened 46 years ago, relates to this time and not to that time.

Let us bring your experience of that time to full recollection. As you remember, following your trial and sentence in the Soviet Union for the alleged anti-Soviet underground activities, you were transported with other prisoners in a railway car to a faraway concentration camp. Because you were a political prisoner, and because in that transport you were the only one of such a designation (being a political prisoner), you were kept separate from all other so-called normal and regular criminals. So, you had your own small compartment in that railway car. The reason why Soviet authorities kept political prisoners separate from all other, non-political prisoners, was not because they were giving them some kind of preferential treatment, but because they were afraid that they would corrupt and contaminate all others with their anti-Soviet ideology. By other, non-political prisoners and by the guards, you were generally labeled as ‘fascists.’ At that time, two types of ‘fascists’ held such a designation. One was attributed to all those who collaborated with Nazi Germany during the Second World War and the other to those who were dissidents, rejecting the Soviet Marxist-Leninist doctrine and the Soviet lifestyle. The latter ones were called ideological fascists. As you see, this designation had nothing in common with the ideology of fascism. But this was the way you were commonly designated at that time.

So, in that transport, several prisoners were present. As you were sitting in your own compartment, pondering about your future and what you could expect upon your final destination in some remote concentration camp, you heard various voices of other prisoners. To your great surprise, there also was a voice of a child. You were very much surprised to realize that a male child was also being transported with you as a regular prisoner. You wondered what that child did that he deserved such harsh treatment as to share the fate of the adult prisoners (at that time, there were no juvenile courts in the Soviet Union). You were still under the impression that children represented the state of innocence, and that therefore, they were innocent and could not be held responsible for their deeds. For that, you blamed the draconian laws of the Soviet criminal justice system. As you were listening to the voice of that child, it was becoming louder and louder and more and more angry and rebellious. The child was grossly misbehaving; he was demanding, using foul language, cursing the guardsmen and causing them all kinds of trouble. At one point in time, the guardsmen became so tired of that child’s behavior, that they threatened to punish him unless he shut up. What do you think, what kind of punishment were they going to impose on him? They told him that they would throw him in with that fascist who was in a few compartments over from the place where the child was with the other prisoners.

Because the child did not take heed, the guard unlocked his compartment, took him out, brought him to your compartment, unlocked the door, and threw that child in. In the moment he entered your compartment, Peter, you were shocked out of your wits, so-to-speak, to see, first of all, how young he was (he could not have been more than 10 years old), and secondly, and most importantly, what type of pure evilness exuded from his countenance. Although externally, in his looks, he appeared as a very beautiful child, despite that, there was nothing in him which would resemble anything good and positive. The evilness of his being, and with him, the evilness of his presence which you felt, Peter, were overwhelming and almost unbearable. You were wondering for how long you could be in such an evil and negative presence. You were also wondering how it was possible for someone of that age to contain such an evil and abominable nature. For all practical purposes, it felt to you, Peter, as if you were in the physical presence of the devil himself.

Upon sitting down next to you, Peter, that child quieted down. It was obvious that he was very much uncomfortable in your presence. At that time, you did not know why. At this time you know that any such evil and negative entity, as that child was, is extremely uncomfortable in the presence of someone positive or in the presence of My representative (at that time My agent). Of course, at that time, you did not recognize yourself as being such an agent. However, unconsciously, the child did. Sitting next to you, you felt a need to talk to him. You asked him for the reasons why he was in prison. He told you, and this was corroborated by the guard who was watching you and listening to what you were saying, making sure that you would not corrupt the child by your ‘fascist’ ideology, that he was in for multiple murders. From very early childhood, he was trained by his criminal parents and other criminal gang members in the ‘art’ of murder, assault, robbery and similar, all extremely dangerous evil activities. He was telling you with great pride in his voice and posture how he enjoyed killing and torturing people and that it was not the first time that he was in prison, always for murders. During your conversation with him, he was getting more and more uncomfortable in your presence, Peter, and he begged the guard to take him back to his own people. He promised to behave if they agreed to his request. So they did and he stopped giving the guards trouble. This is a very good illustration and demonstration of how afraid and uncomfortable the negative state is in the direct presence of the positive state which was represented by you, Peter, at that time (without your conscious knowledge that it was the case).

What is this story telling you? For the first time, you were exposed to something which would become an all-pervading factor of human non-life on planet Zero. Of course, at that time, you had absolutely no idea about the true meaning of that experience. Also, you had no idea that it relates to the concept of innocence and how, in the future (which is the present time), it will not be possible to ascribe such traits to any children who were born after July 1, 1988, because of the cessation of the representative and correspondential role in this respect that children will have. In order for the negative state to pseudo-win on planet Zero, it is necessary to first dispense with anything even remotely containing anything of true innocence. As long as anything of innocence is contained in any newborn infants and children, as a reminder of the nature of the positive state, the negative state is incapable of pseudo-winning. Why is it so? The reason for this derives from the definition of innocence itself. Let us reiterate what innocence really means and signifies. As you remember from the Big Book, innocence was defined in its two most important aspects. The first aspect professes and confesses that all positiveness, goodness, love, wisdom, true life in general and everyone’s life in particular do not belong to their carriers (to sentient entities) but to their Absolute Source — The Lord Jesus Christ. Admission of this most axiomatic fact constitutes the very foundation on which the true life of the positive state is built and on which it stands. As long as you hold to this fact, you are in the state of innocence. But also, under these conditions, you cannot invent, activate, establish and manifest anything of the nature of the negative state and its human non-life. In order to do that, you have to abolish the state of innocence by proclaiming that all these facts of the true life stem from you and only from you alone, or from something or someone else, and that there is no such thing as the Absolute Source of all of them. In other words, the non-life of the negative state is founded on the denial of this axiom.

The second aspect of the definition of innocence derives from the first one. In this sense, to be innocent means not to be contaminated, polluted, poisoned, corrupted and influenced in any manner and way by anything contained in the nature, structure and dynamics of the negative state. Because, initially, children who were coming here from the positive state were in such a condition (until they would become corrupted by everything contained in human non-life), not having any knowledge of anything negative (after all, they came from the positive state), they were bringing with them the state of innocence, and they reflected that state. On the other hand, what kind of children are being born on planet Zero at the present time? Because they all come from the negative state, they all bring with them everything that fundamentally opposes anything contained in the true state of innocence. Initially, some of them may appear as being in the state of innocence. However, it is only a mask which is put on in order to set a trap for all other humans to accept something which is of pure evil, presenting itself under the disguise of being innocent and positive. And the child which you encountered 46 years ago, Peter, was a good example of what kind of children are and will be born. You were allowed to have that experience, and subsequent experiences with many children of similar nature whom you encountered in various prisons during your transport to the remote concentration camp, in order to give you a taste of what it will be when the negative state fully pseudo-wins on this planet. Also, to free you from the falsity of the assumption that children will be innocent and not responsible and accountable for their deeds, whatever they may be. You always wondered, Peter, why, during your life on planet Zero, you have such an unexplainable aversion toward seeing pregnant women and being so uncomfortable in the presence of children. You even expressed deep feelings of guilt for having such an attitude toward them, thinking that something was very much wrong with you and that because of that, it was you who were evil and negative. After all, in your view and in the view of all other humans and your friends, to be pregnant and to have children was considered to be the most blessed and desirable condition, sanctioned by God Himself/Herself. If you had such adverse feelings, you thought that you were going against God.

As you see from the above mentioned facts, your state of mind at that time, your feelings and aversions, as related to the issue in question, were a reflection of your attitude toward the negative state in general, human non-life and the false, pretentious innocence of children in particular. And because pregnancy for you was the embodiment of the means by which and through which the representatives of the negative state were pouring in to occupy planet Zero for the establishment of their full dominance here, you felt aversion and disgust toward it. Don’t forget for a second, Peter, that in your position and role as the transmitter of My New Revelation, you had to go through these kinds of experiences, feelings and states of your mind, in order be able to ascertain and discern, and subsequently, to describe the true and genuine nature of the negative state and its human non-life and how and by what means the negative state will pseudo-win. In this respect, everything that you had to experience and that you had to go through during your life on planet Zero, has a direct relevance to everything related to My New Revelation. It is necessary for you to evaluate all factors of your life from this position, and only from this position, and no other.

Why are we talking about this issue at this particular time? As you remember, some time ago, in your position as My true representatives, you were advised to reevaluate most of your concepts, ideas and terms and their respective meaning and significance in order to get rid of any possible distortions or even falsities that might be contained in the manner you conceptualize them. It is spiritually very important that you have the right ideas and understanding about all such concepts, ideas and terms. If you were to hold on to your prior conceptualization of them, in that case, you would be supporting the cause of the negative state. After all, what else would it signify, if you were to be holding in your minds distortions and falsities about anything, if not the support of the cause of the negative state? To hold on to distortions and falsities is to be in the negative state, the non-life of which is founded on them. Considering children to be innocent or to represent or correspond to innocence, at the present time, can be considered as being in distortions and falsities. Such consideration is very strong among humans, including with some of My representatives, who decided to have children under the presently existing adverse spiritual conditions on planet Zero. You can say that it is almost engrained in your genes. How else could the spread of the negative state’s cause be accomplished if not under the disguise of innocence, goodness and cuteness of children who are so adorable and lovable? This is how the trap of the negative state is set for you.

One of the forms of severe temptation which you are/will be facing in your own personal lives as My true representatives, is/will be to have a false or inappropriate notion about this issue, yielding to the common expectations and understandings the way your culture has. By such a wrong and inappropriate attitude, your society, and you, if you yield to its requirements, support this false notion and thus, endorse the right of the negative state to be the main or dominant factor of human non-life. This is one of the many effective ways for its pseudo-winning on your planet. In your position as My true representatives, you don’t want to find yourself in supporting this false notion.

In order to establish the truth of the matter in this respect, and by that factor to prepare humanity for receding from their negative, false and distorted notion in this or any other respect, it is very vital and crucial that someone on your planet has the right notion about this issue. You, who have My New Revelation and who are in the position of knowing these facts, are in this role of knowing what is and what is not right. By having this important knowledge, and by accepting it and applying it in your own personalized and individualized lives, you are reestablishing the correct notion of innocence on your planet. Do not forget, that in an ultimate sense, innocence stems from the State of My Absolute Innocence, being that I am Innocence in Itself and by Itself. Thus, by reestablishing the correct notion of innocence on your planet, you are allowing My Innocence to be manifested there as well. Therefore, you are instruments and mediums for My Innocence to be present on your planet by the means of your life in accordance with the principles of My New Revelation.

As of now, as these words are being recorded, children as such will no longer be in the role of representatives, reflectors and correspondences of innocence as well as of My Absolute Innocence. One of the new factors of innocence will be the recognition and acceptance of who you are and what your role and position are in the same manner as I know absolutely Who I Am and What My Role and Position are and the way I see what your role and position are. Because of that, as of now, you, as My true representatives, will be in the role of representatives, reflectors and correspondences of innocence in general and My Absolute Innocence in particular. By accepting and implementing all principles of My New Revelation in your lives, which put everything in the position of absolute rightness, by ascribing everything to its right source (both in an absolute sense as far as My New Nature and My positive state are concerned as well as the true nature of the negative state and human non-life are concerned), you are placing yourselves into the state of true innocence. In that sense, you can say that you are becoming small children the way they used to be at the time they were allowed to incarnate on planet Zero from the positive state. In the true reality of this situation, you can say that your becoming small children will be much more advanced and much more transcending than what those children were at that time and before the knowledge contained in My New Revelation became available.

So, based on these facts, we can conclude that anyone who accepts and implements the principles of My New Revelation and the correct notion of innocence and all related factors in their lives, becomes a small child in its purely positive connotation. Thus, it is not the physical age which will any longer determine this factor but it is the acceptance and practice of all the principles of My New Revelation, and having its knowledge, which will do so. As of now, this will be an important distinction. For that reason, whenever I ask you to be as small children, it is not meant in the physical or mental sense but in the spiritual one. Meaning, unconditional acceptance and practice in your personal and individual lives of everything contained in My New Revelation with unconditional faith, trust and confidence in Me and My Absolute New Nature, as well as in yourselves and your true relative natures. As you know, such unconditionality used to be ascribed to physical children. However, because of the fact that the type of physical children who are presently incarnating on planet Zero cannot be in that role any longer, the factor of unconditionality in this respect and in the above connotation is ascribed only to those who are My covert and overt representatives and who keep themselves free of being corrupted and influenced by the negative state. This is what true innocence is all about and this is what, as of now, childhood will signify.

In view of these facts, you have to learn to look at small children, who are presently on planet Zero and who will be incarnating here in the future, not as at some kind of adorable, irresistible and innocent cuties, so helpless and so dependent on you, but as on someone who is fully responsible and accountable for whatever they are and for whatever they do and will do. It will not be easy at all to adopt such views because of your genetic endowment and the brainwashing of millennia, which forces you into looking on them or considering them the way the majority of humanity does. However, as of now, it is important that you reevaluate your attitude in this respect along the line of this revelation. Of course, as always, only if you choose so by your own free will and choice.

The above discourse brings us to the second issue that we need to discuss on the platform of this Dialog. In some ways, it relates to the question of how innocence was lost and how humanity found itself in the present predicament. This issue has relevance to something which is written in Genesis 6:5-7. May I ask you, Peter, to quote the mentioned text so that it becomes obvious what we are talking about?

Peter: Most certainly, My Lord Jesus Christ. Here it is: Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, ‘I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them. End of the quote. This is a very strange sounding statement. How do You reconcile it with Your True Absolute New Nature?

The Lord Jesus Christ: If you take the above quoted statement literally and not spiritually, it would indicate that I did not know what I was doing when I created so-called man. As you see from this statement, in the eyes of humanity, I am Someone Who is like them. In fact, I am a projection of their own likeness and image and not the other way around. That the entire text in the Bible was written in the human language of projections, was many times emphasized throughout My New Revelation, as well as by Swedenborg who was the first one who properly interpreted the above quoted statement and who for the first time noticed how humans project their own feelings, thoughts, attitudes, states of their minds, behaviors and everything else in describing Me, My Nature and My state of mind. Before going into the interpretation of the above quoted text from the perspective of the current spiritual state, let us briefly indicate how Swedenborg interpreted it. As you know, Peter, Swedenborg’s translation of that text is somewhat different from the text of The New King James Version which you are using (as in the above quote). In fact, he learned the archaic languages in which both the Old Testament and the New Testament of the Bible were written in order to circumvent any errors that the available translations of the biblical texts contained. Thus, Swedenborg translated them into Latin which was the major language of all scientific, philosophical and religious scholars of his time. Subsequently, from his Latin translation, his books were translated into English. You can find the translation of the above mentioned text in the first volume of Swedenborg’s Arcana Coelestia in paragraphs 584- 595.

Based on Swedenborg’s revelation regarding this issue, it became obvious that the Scriptures (the entire Bible) were written in appearances and not in the genuine and factual meaning of all events described in them. It also became very much obvious from that time, that the same words used by humans for the description of anything may have an entirely different, even opposite meaning when they are used in their spiritual connotation. For that reason, Swedenborg perceived that, for example, the word ‘sorry’ (or in his book, the word ‘repent’ — And it repented Jehovah that he made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart) signifies ‘mercy’ and the word ‘grieved’ has the same meaning only from a different perspective. In his understanding, the word ‘repent’ (or ‘sorry’) has reference to wisdom, and ‘to grieve at heart’ (or ‘He was grieved in His heart’) has reference to love. So, whenever something is stated in the Bible, it is always stated in such a manner that one aspect of it refers to love and the other to wisdom.

From our current spiritual perspective, in dealing with the spiritual issues, you have to always take these two positions — the position of love and the position of wisdom. Both positions signify the same but they come from different perspectives. Symbolically speaking, one is of the heart — love; the other is of the head — wisdom. Or one is of the feminine principle — love; the other is of the masculine principle — wisdom. Here is an example of the total unification and integration of both. In their true meaning, no difference exists between them.

Let us now look at the true meaning of the quoted text from the current spiritual perspective and needs as they are reflected in the presently ongoing shift and the way it is applicable to you and your understanding of the spiritual issues contained or encoded in the above mentioned text.

In order to properly understand anything contained in the above quoted text, you first need to make a connection to verse 4 of the 6th chapter of Genesis. In that verse, the following statement is made: There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. The content of this verse has direct relevance to the verse that follows (verse 5). What is described here is not the physical size of their bodies, as it would appear from the word ‘giants,’ but, instead, the gigantic distortions and falsifications of all spiritual principles to their very possible extreme. They were mighty in doing that. Their being of old and of renown refers to the nature of the pseudo-creators and their posterities. As you know, the pseudo-creators were originally created before the actual creation of Creation, into its process, took place. This is what the words ‘of old’ signify. The word ‘renown’ refers to their great knowledge they possessed. In that, they surpassed anyone and anything. But it also refers to the fact that they were the only ones who volunteered to ask the existential questions which were about to enter all sentient minds. In that, they became renown.

To ask such questions establishes a state of wickedness because it disregards the fact of My assurance that they were really in the positive state; and, based on My Absolute Assurance, and because of that, no need existed for asking such questions. By asking them anyway, they denied My Absolute Fairness, Goodness, Positiveness and Truthfulness. To deny that and to assume something opposite to it led to the ultimate or great wickedness of man on earth. ‘Man of earth,’ in this connotation means rejection of one’s true inner nature (man) as it derived from Me and established instead, the rule of the externals (earth), which excludes My presence and everything related to My Absolute Nature from all their negative efforts.

As you remember, I cannot be present in the process of activation of the negative state. In order to make such an activation possible at all, the activators needed to exclude My presence from all their negative deeds in this respect. By doing that, they lost their innocence. In fact, by such an action, the innocence within them was destroyed and a different state occurred in their mind which, in Biblical terms, denoted acquirement of the knowledge of good and evil. Before that, no knowledge and experience of evil existed. Not to have any knowledge and experience of evil, also means to be in the state of innocence (compare the definition of innocence as formulated above). And because I am in the State of Absolute Goodness and Positiveness, not having anything of evil in Me, I am, therefore, also in the state of Absolute Innocence. However, by inventing evil and wickedness, the state of innocence was removed from all inventors and activators of the negative state’s evils and falsities, and from everyone else who decided to partake in the non-life of the negative state and human non-life. Such participation is impossible with having or being in the state of innocence.

The establishment of this mode of pseudo-life resulted in a different mode of thinking and willing with a different nature of intent. Once you exclude My presence from anything you do or do not do, it gives rise to evil intent which begins to permeate all your thoughts, leading to the birth of everything evil and false. Hence, the non-life of the negative state. This is exactly what verse 5 signifies. That I saw that this was the case, relates to My Absolute Foresight of all possible consequences, outcomes and results to which the invention, activation, establishment and manifestation of the non-life of the negative state will lead. That I was sorry that I had made man signifies My full recognition of how awful, despicable, putrid, unbearable, burdensome, complicated, convoluted and impossible life in the non-life of the negative state and human non-life will be for all of those who will participate in it. That I grieved in My heart, signifies that I had/will have Absolute Compassion (‘grieved’) from the position of My Absolute Love (‘in My heart’) on all of those who were and will be, at some time or other, participating in that non-life. But it also means that I will bring them back to the positive state after I free them from that type of terrible non-life. At that time/state, the state of true innocence will be restored to them. You cannot very well be included in the true life of the positive state unless you are at the very same time in the state of innocence.

In the process of freeing all participants in the non-life of the negative state and human non-life, I will eliminate their reliance on the externals only (‘destroying man from the face of the earth’) and their disregard for their inner nature where their true ‘I am’ was deeply buried and forgotten, and remove to eternity the factor of permission (‘whom I created’) for the pseudo-being and pseudo-existence of the non-life of the negative state and human non-life to ever be established again. In the process of this elimination, all evil and negative affections and intentions (‘both man and beast’), as well as all false and distorted knowledges, ideas and concepts and everything related to them (‘creeping thing and birds of the air’) will be permanently, to eternity, removed likewise. ‘For I am sorry that I have made them’ signifies in this connotation My Absolute Desire for everyone to be happy, positive, good and joyous without any impositional, unfree and burdensome negative and evil factors of the sentient mind. This is how My New Nature is.

Why are we bringing these issues to your attention at this particular time? As you remember from the earlier Dialogs, and from the above statements, in order to set up a proper and effective condition for elimination of the non-life of the negative state and human non-life, it is first necessary to have a proper understanding of all spiritual factors. In other words, it is necessary to acquire the right ideas about all spiritual concepts, ideas, words, designations or whatever you have. The process of this proper acquirement is preceded by the process of getting rid of all incorrect or wrong conceptualizations of such concepts, ideas, words, designations, etc., and in what manner they are understood and defined. Before the acquirement and establishment of the right definition and understanding of them, you first need to remove their false and distorted designations from your mind and the way you understand, conceptualize, define and use them in your own minds and lives. Only after that is it possible to acquire and establish their right and proper definitions, conceptualizations, understandings and their use. As long as you hold on to their wrong and inappropriate conceptualizations, you cannot reestablish the fullness of the state of innocence within you. In that case, you cannot be fully in the positive state either. In order to establish your permanent residence in the midst of the positive state, and by that factor establish or restore the state of innocence within you, you need to get rid of all wrong, false, distorted and inappropriate conceptualizations and understandings of all spiritual ideas, concepts and terms.

By granting you My New Revelation, and all ideas, concepts, terms, etc., contained in it, you, as My true representatives on planet Zero, are put into a position of making such corrections, amendments and redefinitions, and by that factor, you are able to acquire and establish within you their proper and correct understanding, conceptualization and definition. By accomplishing that, you are placed by Me back into the state of innocence, and thus, into the midst of My positive state. And not only that, but by this process, by your very life in accordance with the state of innocence, you are establishing very important conditions and examples in human non-life based on which, in the opportune time, all humanity will be saved from their evil, false, distorted and inappropriate conceptualizations, understandings and definitions of all spiritual concepts, ideas, terms, or whatever they hold on to in this respect. Thus, making it possible for them to reacquire the state of innocence which was lost a long time ago (in your conceptualization of time).

This issue has especially important relevance to how humans and you, My representatives, conceptualize, perceive and understand My Nature and what kinds of words you use, and what kind of meaning you ascribe to those words which you use in describing My Absolute Positive New Nature. The above quoted text from the Bible is a good example of this relevance. As you noticed from that text, My Nature or the State of My Mind is described in typical human terms, the way humans define, conceptualize, perceive and understand the meaning of those terms or words. So they use such words as ‘being sorry,’ ‘grieving in My heart,’ ‘being angry,’ ‘being destructive,’ ‘being furious,’ ‘being punitive,’ etc., as if I have no foresight how the created sentient entities will turn out or what the outcome of their creation could or would be. In a typical human conceptualization, interpretation, definition and understanding of the meaning of those words, I really appear as being such or having such adverse emotions or states of My Mind; while the reality of My True Nature has absolutely nothing of such states and conditions. So, whenever such terms or words are used in describing how I feel, will or think, or how I am, as they are being uttered or written down by humans or any other sentient entities anywhere and anywhen, they acquire a totally different meaning than what is ascribed to them by humans, for example. Their meaning, as related to Me, has only and only positive connotation in the manner as, for example, indicated in the above described interpretation of them.

In your role and position as My true representatives on planet Zero, you need to train yourself in seeing, thinking, feeling, understanding and conceptualizing the right and proper meaning of such words and terms as used in describing what I feel, will, think. etc. So, whenever you read or think about Me, and during such activities you encounter these seemingly negative words and terms as indicated above, you are to ascribe to them not the same meaning as the common humans ascribe to them in their understanding and conceptualization of such words and terms but the way all sentient entities in the positive state do. In the positive state, whenever you utter the words such as, for example, ‘The Lord Jesus Christ (or God, in the old conceptualization of My Nature) is angry, feels sorry, grieves, is full of wrath and violence’ and any similar all negative words, they do not perceive them in the meaning of those words in the same connotation as humans do. Instead, they read out in them similar meaning, in their positive connotation only, as described above in our interpretation of the quoted biblical text in Genesis, for example. In other words, in their conceptualization and understanding, nothing of evil and negative connotation is contained in them.

You, as My true representatives on planet Zero, are humbly asked by Me to acquire the same position in this, or any other respect, as all sentient entities in the positive state have. By having such a position, you are building a sound foundation in human non-life, as well as in the non-life of the negative state in general, on which removal of such negative and evil conceptualization of My Nature (how I feel, will, think, etc.) will be possible to accomplish. This is one of the very important reasons why we are talking about these issues and why, Peter, they were brought to your attention as a result of something important that occurred in our spiritual realm.

It is absolutely vital and crucial to eliminate any notion from your minds about My being able to feel sorry, to grieve, to be angry, to destroy, to kill, to be wrathful, to be furious or have any negative, adverse or evil thoughts, feelings, emotions or will. In My Absolute Positive New Nature, I am incapable of having within Me anything of this adverse nature. Yes, I experienced them fully during My life on planet Zero as any other human would, but, as mentioned many times before, to experience something and to make that something an integral part of your nature, are two entirely different things.

As you know, the forces of the negative state, especially the renegades, would like nothing better than for you, as well as for all their minions and humans, to have this false notion regarding My Nature and how I feel, think, will, act, behave, relate, etc. As long as anyone continues to have such false notions about Me and My Nature, the negative state, and everything related to and contained in it, cannot be eliminated, ever. For that reason, as much as possible, it makes an all-out effort to distort and falsify the true meaning of My Nature and My relatedness to all. Your role in this respect is not to ever fall into this trap. By holding the right notion about Me and My True Nature, you are making it possible for the elimination of the negative state to take place — when the time comes for this to happen. And this is the major reason why we are talking about this issue today and why the above quoted text, as well as your experiences of the past, Peter, were brought to your attention.

There are some other important spiritual consequences of the loss of innocence and establishment of wickedness which occurred following the activation, establishment and manifestation of the non-life of the negative state and human non-life that needs to be discussed on the platform of these Dialogs from their historical perspective and how they influenced human conceptualization of the hierarchy of the spiritual organization in general. However, I would recommend to take up this subject in the next Dialog. The present Dialog is somewhat lengthy. Also, you need to take a break, Peter, because of your fragile physical condition. So, let us talk about it a little later. In the meantime, prepare this Dialog for editing by Betty and Heather Oudal. I, personally, would like to take this opportunity to thank them, and to all those who are in the process of translating all these Dialogs into other languages, and to all who give generous financial support for their printing (Dr. Beth Ann Voien and Thomas Oudal, for example, and others), for their laudable and useful work in this respect. You have almost no idea how important your works and contributions in this respect are. So, until the next time.

Peter: Thank You very, very much for everything that has been revealed in this Dialog. I am also joining You in expressing my personal gratitude and appreciation to all who participate in this effort by whatever means available to them.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 2.

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