ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIRST DIALOGUE

October 29, 1999

Peter: Well, once again, a question about correspondences has come our way. Although we have discussed this issue several times before, perhaps some aspects of it could be elaborated upon some more, if You think it would be appropriate to do so. A question has come from Erin Martz. As someone who was raised in the so-called Swedenborgian church, it is not surprising that she would come up with this type of question. Her question is as follows: On planet Zero there are diffused correspondences with the positive state. Is this due to planet Zero representing, more fully now, the negative state? Are there still pure correspondences of the positive state on this planet? Are all correspondences subjective, or is there a ‘set’ of objects that have correspondences? Are these correspondences on planet Zero by free choice? Also, in addition to these questions, she is asking about the correspondence of the AIDS epidemic. Of course, as always, if You would first like to contribute to or elaborate upon anything this morning, I’ll gladly yield to You to talk first.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for asking Me to talk first. However, today I would prefer to discuss Erin’s questions first. Following that, if we still have time, I’ll address some other issues.

In order to properly answer the posed questions, we need to clarify the meaning of the word ‘correspondence.’ Although this term was discussed previously both in these Dialogs as well as throughout all other books of My New Revelation, nevertheless, we need to reiterate it again from a somewhat different angle. As you remember, correspondences were introduced as a means for concrete depiction or representation in the external or so-called objective reality all ideas, abstract concepts, notions, images, thoughts and emotions of the sentient mind and, in an absolute sense, of My Absolute Sentient Mind. This is one function of correspondences. The other function relates to the mode of interconnectedness of all worlds and dimensions which have a different function, role, structure, position, state, etc., than any other world and/or dimension. By the means of correspondences they are able to be in touch with each other and influence each other as needed and whenever needed. And the third function of correspondences is to enable certain spiritual, mental, physical and environmental occurrences which underlie all spiritual, mental and physical laws and principles by which they harmoniously run all processes of Creation.

In the highest sense of understanding of the term ‘correspondence,’ by their means I project and convey to the entirety of My Creation the concreteness of My States, Processes, Conditions, Relatedness and Caring. Take for example, such a concept as Absolute Love. If My Absolute Love is being constantly generated outwardly toward everyone and everything in My Creation and in pseudo-creation, then, what, in actuality and factuality, does it produce? How is it manifested in its concrete projection? As it descends from one level to another, at each level it produces something which enables the function of that level in its own unique, infinitely different and special type of nature. This ‘something,’ in its nature and manifestation, is different from the nature and manifestation of the original meaning and content of Absolute Love, but without It, not only couldn’t it be established at all but it couldn’t be conceived either. Thus, in this sense, that ‘something’ is a correspondence or it corresponds to Absolute Love in its own relative condition, process and state.

In this conceptualization of the meaning of correspondences, you can say that love in general corresponds to good because, in its essence and substance, love always produces only what is good. Further down the line, you can say that good from love produces positive works because the meaning of the word ‘good’ denotes that only that which produces something good for everyone — positive works — can be its true nature and striving. Thus, you can say that as good corresponds to love, so positive works correspond to good, and through good to love, and love corresponds through its good to positive works. In this respect, you have here a correspondence between the spiritual state of love, mental state of good and their practical outcome in the form of positive works. Their interconnectedness is such that one without the other cannot exist. This is the process of the multiversal law from within to without. Love is the state of the most within or the spirit, good is the state of the interior or soul/mentality, and positive works are the state of the externals or concreteness in a physical sense which produces tangible outcomes. Or, to say it differently, love is occurrence, good is proceeding and positive works are becoming (in the sense of to become — My works become tangible, sensible, concrete and factual reality for all and everything). By this process they correspond with and to each other.

This is one aspect of the meaning of the term ‘correspondence.’ The other, which appeared later on, was rooted in the need to express spiritual ideas in such a manner that they would also make sense to one’s external mind. Certain symbols were invented and interpreted. Based on that, certain external objects, physical bodies, their various organs and inanimate structures were built which became an embodiment of all respective spiritual ideas. In this sense, it was the function of those external objects, physical bodies, their various organs and inanimate structures, and not their external appearances, which reflected the true spiritual reality of those ideas. Thus, it was their function and purpose for which they were built and not they themselves, apart from their function and purpose, which corresponded to the spiritual reality and its infinite varieties of ideas.

No matter which way you look at the meaning of correspondences, in their ultimate nature, they are the sole productions of the sentient mind and its ideas, and in an ultimate sense, they are sole productions of My Absolute Sentient Mind. Because of that, correspondences in themselves and by themselves are inconceivable without the being and existence of the sentient mind or My Absolute Sentient Mind, respectively. In this particular sense, all correspondences are subjective and there are no ‘sets’ of objects of correspondences in themselves and by themselves. Any ‘sets’ of objects were created and produced by the sentient mind or by My Absolute Sentient Mind, and therefore, their so-called objective manifestation, apart from and different than any sentient entity, couldn’t be conceived. Simply stated, they could not become what they are. Thus, their objective existence depends absolutely on the subjective being and existence of the sentient mind or, ultimately, on My Absolute Sentient Mind.

From this factor derives the true nature of correspondences. If all of them, and what they represent and depict, depend absolutely on the being and existence of the sentient mind, in that case they would reflect, in their essence and substance, the very nature of the sentient mind. And because the very nature of the sentient mind reflects, in its relative condition, the very Nature of My Absolute Sentient Mind, it would carry within itself the same attributes, characteristics and traits as My Absolute Nature has. As you remember, one of those attributes is My Absolute Freedom and My Absolute Free Choice to produce anything that I desire or wish. This factor, of course, is reflected in the nature of any other relative sentient entity. Because this is the true setup of all and everything, in this sense, any correspondences, no matter what their nature is, because of their absolute dependence on the activities of the sentient minds, are always by free choice.

From this you can distinctly derive one of the most important spiritual- philosophical-mystical factors of life: Whatever is and exists or pseudo-is and pseudo-exists, is and exists or pseudo-is and pseudo-exists only and only by free choice of the sentient mind. No being and existence or pseudo-being and pseudo-existence is possible or conceivable without the being and existence of the sentient mind, as the sentient mind’s being and existence is impossible without My Absolute Being and Absolute Existence in the sense that Being and Existence are the Absolute Residences in Me eternally.

Because of this absolute dependency of all correspondences on the sentient mind, their nature is determined by the intentional and motivational factors of that mind. Although all initial correspondences stem from My Absolute Positiveness, as they descend into all other relative sentient entities, by their own intentional and motivational factors, any such correspondences could be turned into something that has the opposite meaning to that which was conceived in their initial source. This is the true genesis of the so-called negative correspondences. Because any type of life or pseudo-life is ruled solely by what is put into the nature of correspondences, the activation of the negative state is possible by taking the original positive ones and redefining them into their opposite meaning. This is what was called the manipulation of correspondences in order to produce the negative state. From this reality of correspondences, you can clearly see that production of negative correspondences would not be possible without the initial production of positive ones. This is the dependency factor, many-times-mentioned before, of the pseudo-being and pseudo-existence of negative state on the true being and existence of the positive state. Thus, from this fact, you can clearly see that in no way could the negative state and its human life come to its adverse fruition if the positive state were not to be and not exist.

As far as planet Zero with its diffused correspondences to the positive state is concerned, its peculiar position in the totality-of-it-all, as well as its very unusual and peculiar human life, as with everything else on it, whatever correspondences it has, are skewed and distorted. Only under this type of setup could the typical human life and its unusual and peculiar nature be produced or fabricated. The skewed and distorted position doesn’t allow any clear-cut, well-pointed and well-concentrated positive correspondences to appear on planet Zero and in human life in general. Otherwise, humans would not be what they are or what their typical human nature is. This positioning of human nature and human life allows the full, concrete and tangible manifestation of all aspects of the negative state on this planet. This was the very purpose for which the typical and peculiar human life was fabricated. Hence, the diffused correspondences to or with the positive state. In this sense, you can be assured that the more negative human life is becoming, the more diffused or more skewed and distorted their correspondences to and with the positive state will be.

The reason why even in the negative state and in human life some elements of the positive correspondences are manifested, albeit wrapped in all kinds of negative ones, is, first of all, because no one can live or be alive, no matter what kind of life and living it is (pseudo-life and pseudo- living), without some presence of something positive and good; and secondly, because no one could be absolutely bad, negative and evil. Human life represents, illustrates and demonstrates this factor of relativity, transience and temporality (its being is only for the time being) of anything contained in the negative state and in all its inhabitants. Hence, the diffused correspondences with and to the positive state. This factor shows clearly that only the positive state has absolute validity and continuation because it stems directly from My Absolute Validity and eternal continuation (from eternity to eternity), whereas the negative state and its human life does not.

The forces of the negative state, although vaguely aware of the factor of their transience and temporality — they are allowed to be in their specific pseudo-life only for the time being; nevertheless, they have been putting out an all-out effort to circumvent this inevitable fate of theirs. In the process of such attempts, they have been generating all kinds of new and different ideas in their minds which would assure the indefinite continuation of their pseudo-life or their negative state. But here is a paradox: Because, by their very nature, purpose, goal, intention and motivation, they are able and willing to produce only negative and evil ideas for that purpose — otherwise they would not be evil and negative; such ideas are always destructive, bringing with them nothing else but turmoil, misery, suffering and everything else so inherent in the nature of the negative state.

As you know, any types of ideas of any sentient mind produce their results, outcomes and ultimate consequences in the form of their correspondences. If your ideas are negative, evil, bad, or whatever, they produce only negative correspondences. One of the most effectual modes of transmission of such ideas and their negative correspondences into their concrete manifestation, is by the means of sexuality. In order to continue to manifest their pseudo-life, and in order to assure that their pseudo-life is maintained indefinitely, the forces of the negative state, in the process of their intense condensation on planet Zero and human life, have been using sexual means for this purpose. They produced certain very cunning and very negative new ideas, related to this goal, and projected them, by the means of negative correspondences, into human life. On planet Zero, these correspondences gave rise to new, unusual deadly viruses, retro-viruses, Ebola-viruses, HIV viruses and their various numerous mutations which are able to generate in human bodies incurable diseases, illnesses and conditions, such as, for example, AIDS and a new form of tuberculosis and of many other mysterious physical conditions. The epidemics of these conditions in human life are the very correspondences of the factor of the extreme condensation and pseudo- winning of the negative state on planet Zero and in human life. But this is the very paradox of this situation: The more successful the forces of the negative state are in this very negative and evil endeavor of theirs, the more self-destructive they are becoming. As they continue in this effort, at one point in time, they will inevitably self-destruct completely, without any trace of their pseudo-being and pseudo-existence.

So, as you see from this outcome, it is not as if I or anyone in the positive state will eliminate the negative state for good and forever, but the very glitch in the nature of the negative state itself is such that it will accomplish this goal of its eternal self-elimination and self-destruction. Our presence in the midst of the negative state only serves as a catalyst for this process of self-destruction and self-elimination to take place. The way you have to understand this statement is in the fact that the presence of the positive state in the midst of the negative state causes its forces/renegades to come up with more and more, and newer and newer cunning and effective negative and evil ideas in order to protect themselves from the presence and influence of the positive state. By the factor of such new productions, more destructive negative and evil ideas and their correspondences are appearing which will lead nowhere else but to the ultimate and eternal self-destruction and self-elimination of the negative state and the negative aspects of its human life.

As you see from this elaboration, all forms of incurable as well as curable conditions in human life, are the results of the above described process. To repeat again, the AIDS epidemic, and any other epidemics, as well as any other various and numerous destructive events on your planet, are the results and consequences of the factor of condensation and pseudo- winning of the negative state in human life and elsewhere in the Zone of Displacement. In this respect, you can also say that the purpose of the negative state is to eliminate any traces of any positive correspondences. As long as you have some presence of positive correspondences, albeit even in a diffused and poorly defined condition, the negative state is incapable of winning. Therefore, it desperately needs to replace all such positive correspondences with purely negative ones. For that reason, its forces produce all kinds of evil, bad and negative ideas, projected by the means of correspondences into human life which, in turn, produce all kinds of adverse conditions on your planet.

But here is the catch: In the moment all such positive correspondences are eliminated from their pseudo-lives, nothing will remain in them which could sustain their continuation. As you remember, only by such presence can they continue in their unproductive, negative and evil efforts. The reason for this indisputable condition lies in the fact that I, as the Absolute Life, am present in all such positive correspondences because, after all, in an ultimate sense, I am their Producer and Emanator. Therefore, without Me, or My presence in such correspondences, and thus, without their presence, no matter in what condition, no one could survive for a fraction of a second. For that reason, you can clearly see that in the moment the forces/renegades of the negative state succeed in elimination of any positive correspondences from their domain and sphere of influence, they’ll self-destruct and self- eliminate; or, to be more precise, they’ll destroy and eternally eliminate their own negative state. At that point they will wake up from their deadly sleep and find themselves naked and without any source or possibility to continue in their former pseudo-lifestyle. It is at this point that their memories will be opened and all these facts will come to their full conscious awareness by the means of My New Revelation. Having available full access to their own memories and to My New Revelation, by its means, they will be able to petition My New Absolute Nature, requesting from Me clothing for their nakedness and a new source of life which will have only a purely positive connotation.

The presence of the positive correspondences on planet Zero, even though in a diffused, skewed and distorted condition, at the present time is contingent on the presence of My true representatives. Because, as far as their spirit is concerned, they are positioned in the midst of the positive state, and by that factor, they are able to generate and maintain a positive notion of such correspondences by the means of their positive thoughts, ideas, concepts, notions, emotions, will, behaviors, relationships and practices of the principles of My New Revelation. This factor continues to be a deterrent for the complete pseudo-winning of the negative state on planet Zero. To a certain degree, the renegades are aware of this factor. Therefore, by all available means, they are trying to seek out My representatives and, knowing that they would be totally and completely unable to destroy them, they are trying to impede their influence and make it impossible for them to execute their assignment and role in this respect.

So, if My representatives, by the means of producing only positive ideas, concepts, notions, thoughts, emotions, behaviors, attitudes, relationships and everything else of the positive nature, make it possible for positive correspondences to be present on planet Zero, then, in order to disrupt them in production and conveyance of these positive attributes, the forces of the negative state/renegades will try to induce into My representatives, as much as possible, the opposites of these attributes. The most sensitive portion in this respect will be their physical bodies and their life-force energies.

Recently, you yourself, Peter, have been experiencing these mysterious physical problems. Even as you are recording this Dialog, there is a continuous interference with this process by the means of your physical symptoms which require your constant attention, interrupting this process and interfering with the stream of thoughts necessary for the proper recording of our dialoging. Your condition is an illustration and demonstration that the shift in the tactics and methods of the renegades has occurred and that their target is and will be your physical bodies and, if possible, your mental conditions. By making your physical bodies sick, even if such conditions will not be terminal, nevertheless, the renegades hope that they will able to disrupt your abilities to produce anything positive and good in order to maintain the influence of the positive state on this planet. After all, if you don’t feel well physically or mentally, if you cough constantly, or have a high fever, or a headache or any other types of aches, or if you are depressed, miserable and constantly tired, under those and similar conditions, how could you produce anything positive and good? This is what the renegades are after, among many other things. They hope that by the means of such symptoms, they will be able to deter you from your role and mission in this respect. And yet, as you see from your own situation, Peter, despite the fact that you have been physically ill for some time now, nevertheless, during that time, you were able to produce three more Dialogs of the most significant content, thus, making void any attempts of the renegades to influence you or your work in this respect.

Peter: Well, how ‘nice’ of them to do that to me and to Your other representatives. I’ll forgive them fully and unconditionally, no matter how much damage they have caused to my throat or, perhaps, even to my lungs because they know not what they are doing and they know not that by doing that they are accelerating not ours but their own demise.

The Lord Jesus Christ: And it is good to have such an attitude, Peter, because it reinforces the presence of the positive state in the midst of the negative state even more. However, there is another way of undermining the role and position of My representatives. Besides what was said above, there is another potent tool in this respect available to the renegades. We can call this tool an ideological weapon. It entails the infusion of doubts, uncertainties and hesitations about the verity of the ideas and concepts of My New Revelation, about My New Nature and who I really am on one side, and infusion of wrong, false and inappropriate ideas, thoughts, notions, concepts, behaviors and attitudes on the other side. Let me tell you something, Peter, and to all who read these words: It is not by coincidence that in the last two Dialogs (119, 120) we were talking about some aspects of the content of Chapters Two and Three of the Apocalypse. At this time, your attention is being brought particularly to those aspects of the two chapters which specifically deal with the ideological-spiritual problems of the respective churches. Let Me reiterate some of them so that you have a clear idea how the renegades will try to sway you from the proper understanding and application of anything contained in My New Revelation in order to keep you away from maintaining positive correspondences on planet Zero so that they could establish their full and indisputable control over it. In the first case, as you are waiting and waiting for the negative state to end, or as you are waiting and waiting for something positively significant and unusual to happen in your own personal lives and as nothing of that nature is taking place, your intense involvement with My New Revelation, or, to use biblical terms, your first love toward it, left you or you left your first love toward it and instead, you gave preference to something else. If you were to do that, you would effectively relinquish your role as My representatives and you would stop being a conductor of positive correspondences on planet Zero.

In the second case, many obstacles, traps, temptations and shortcomings in all aspects of your life could be put in your way. Being constantly under the pressure of your human life, having barely enough material resources to be able to make ends meet on an everyday basis, spending most of your time coping with everyday hassles and typical human problems, as well as dealing with typical humans (what an awful thing to do!), you would feel depleted of all your life force energies needed for your spiritual work, development and progression. At such times, the renegades would be most insistent on tempting you to give up and to listen to their ideological propaganda about the virtues of life in the negative state and human life. It is at such points that they would send all kinds of their own representatives your way who would come to you under the disguise of being My representatives, who seemingly accepted My New Revelation, but whose purpose would be to pollute, contaminate, corrupt and poison all its proper ideas, concepts, notions and principles and kill in you any correct notion of its content and its truths. In biblical terms these kinds of people are called a synagogue of Satan (concentrated state of falsities and distortions). Also, in biblical terms they call themselves Jews (in our conceptualization they call themselves My true representatives) but they are not.

In the third case, it is very clear that you, who are My true representatives, dwell, to use biblical terms, where Satan’s throne is. In our terms you physically dwell where the negative state has its domain. Being that you are surrounded by all kinds of falsities and distortions (Satan), and being that you are constantly bombarded by them on a 24- hour basis, you may, if you are not careful enough, admit into your life some of their ideas and concepts and combine them with the ideas of My New Revelation. This is a proverbial stumbling block in your spiritual path. When you are hearing so much about so many various new age concepts, various eastern and western pseudo-spiritual movements (Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Taoism, Christianity and all others), and when you observe some ‘positive’ outcomes in their practices, it is not easy not to succumb to their charms and to not try to mix them up with what you know about and have from My New Revelation. To do that means in biblical terms, to commit sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols. To commit sexual immorality signifies to adulterate and pervert the truth of My New Revelation by admitting into it distortions and falsities of the negative state, and by that fact, establish a perverted worship of My New Nature.

The other side of the coin in this respect is in approaching My New Revelation for the wrong reasons and with inappropriate, or even an evil intent and motivation, for one’s own sake, for merit-seeking, for having a special place in Heaven, or even during your life on planet Zero. In this respect the renegades will try to infuse an idea into your mind, telling you how virtuous you are, how special you are, and how much you deserve to be in the highest possible position in the Heavens and on planet Zero for being such a loyal and faithful servant of The Lord Jesus Christ. In other words, by accepting such an idea, you will be utilizing My New Revelation for merit-seeking purposes. In biblical terms, such people are called ‘those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans.’ It is also said there that I hate this doctrine. The reason I use the human term of ‘hate’ in this respect, is because such an attitude destroys your spiritual integrity, making the negative state stronger and more efficient in its striving. Anything that does that to you, I don’t want it to be a part of your life. Unless things are done for the sake of principles, without seeking any merit, from the spiritual standpoint, it has no meaning and use. In that case, you would be lost for a long time to come. My hating this doesn’t mean hating in the human understanding of this term but it means that I have no desire and wish for you to be hurt in any way and by any means because I love you unconditionally with wisdom.

In the fourth case, the renegades will try to infuse into your mind a dangerous idea that knowledge and understanding of My New Revelation, in itself and by itself, is enough for you to be considered My true representative and a true spiritual man/woman of God. For that reason it really doesn’t matter what kind of quality your lifestyle has or how you behave, act or relate or what kinds of things you produce or what the outcome of your deeds is. As long as you know My New Revelation and are able to talk about its principles in clear and understandable terms, you are fulfilling the requirements for being My true representatives. In biblical terms this factor is described as allowing that woman, Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and beguile My servants (My representatives) to commit sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols. In other words, this is the issue of separation of love from wisdom, good from truth, and faith from positive works. To separate them means another form of committing sexual immorality and eating things sacrificed to idols. In our terms, to separate them means to establish the pseudo-life of the negative state. As you remember from My New Revelation, the only way to activate and establish the negative state, or that other type of life other than the life of the positive state, was by separating love from wisdom, good from truth, faith from positive works, or masculinity from femininity and femininity from masculinity. To repeat: This is what the terms ‘sexual immorality’ and ‘to eat things sacrificed to idols’ also, in their different form, really mean. If the renegades could accomplish and maintain such a separation in anyone who is My representative on planet Zero, they would effectively destroy any ability of any such representative to be in that role and thus, to maintain the positive correspondences on this planet. Therefore, you are very strongly advised to very carefully examine yourself in order to determine to what extent your theoretical acceptance of My New Revelation is reflected in your everyday behavior, attitude, relatedness, actions, deeds and productions. As long as you are putting out an all-out effort to make it so, you are in the position of being My true representatives. Being My true representatives, or being in the midst of the positive state, signifies being in spiritual marriage of theory and practice.

In the fifth case, the renegades will try to seduce you into believing that reading My New Revelation on a daily basis, as a form of ritual, without pondering, meditating, thinking and intuiting about its ideas and principles, or without any effort to understand what they are all about, or without any effort to practice them, is sufficient for being spiritually alive and thus, being My true representatives. In other words, in this particular case, no attempt would be made on your part to internalize, personalize, individualize, actualize and identify yourself with anything contained in My New Revelation. In biblical terms, people like that are considered to have a name, that they are alive, but, in fact, they are dead. If you are dead, by the factor of assuming this position, you cannot very well be My true representatives and maintain any positive correspondences on this planet. This is how the renegades can accomplish their destructive work in this respect.

And finally, in the sixth case, the renegades will try to convince you that it is okay, fine and dandy to have My New Revelation in your life, but its importance is not as crucial and as significant as you think it is. There are many other things which are as important and as crucial or, in fact, much more important and much more crucial than My New Revelation or being My true representatives. Therefore, you don’t need to be so zealous and so fired up about it. Let it simmer somewhere on the back burner with the faint awareness that it is there but that it is not of such an importance that you need to pay too much attention to it. In biblical terms these people are called neither hot nor cold. They are only lukewarm. Such a condition doesn’t allow anything of the positive nature to be generated through people like that. By such an attitude, whoever would find himself/herself in this condition, would profane everything pertaining to My New Nature as well as to My New Revelation. In that case, such an individual would not be able to transmit any positive correspondences to planet Zero and would lose the privilege of being My true representative. And this is what the renegades and their minions are after. The reason that we are not mentioning here the seventh case is because, in this case, it relates to those of My true representatives who are fully, explicitly, implicitly, competently, lovingly and wisely fulfilling their role and mission of being My true representatives and, by that factor, are maintaining the presence of positive correspondences on planet Zero as well as everything else pertaining to the positive state. As My true representatives, you practice, live, manifest, support, exemplify and identify yourself with everything contained in My New Revelation. You can say that you, if you really are My true representatives, comprise, what is called in biblical terms, My Holy Church. And this, Peter, is what it is all about. And at this point, we have finished for today. Go in peace, Peter, and rest your ill body. Unless there are multiversal questions coming your way, Peter, take a few days break.

Peter: Thank You very much for this profound discourse.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 2.

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