To read aloud
ONE HUNDRED AND NINTH DIALOGUE
September 29, 1999
Peter: Although I personally don’t have any specific questions, except for
my concerns how some readers, and especially the couple in question (if
they were ever to read it), will react to the content of the previous Dialog,
yet, this morning, I have received some questions from Slovakia. It seems
that our friends in Slovakia are quite busy with their questioning. Also,
yesterday, later in the afternoon, I received a phone call, also from
Slovakia, requesting some clarification on the issue of mutual male-
female, female-male treatment who are supposed to be Your
representatives. Something is still wrong with that mutual treatment,
especially from the side of the men. Are we facing something here which
is called stupid (excuse me for that expression!) macho man stuff? You
know, sometimes I feel so tired and disgusted when I hear how our own
people, who are supposed to be Your representatives, are treating each
other in a manner which is degrading, rude, arrogant, belittling,
sarcastic and inconsiderate. In that case, how different are they from any
other typical humans, or even from the so-called representatives of the
negative state/renegades? You know, very often, I wonder if they have
truly read Your New Revelation at all; or if they have read it, to what
extent have they even tried to apply any of its principles in their own
life? If there are any objective facts in the reports I am getting about that
type of mutual treatment, then I would have to conclude that Your New
Revelation so far has had very little impact on their behavior or that
their involvement with it was for some kind of inappropriate, ulterior
reasons, with totally and completely wrong intentions and motivations.
So, here I am, I have expressed my concerns and frustrations to You this
morning. Would You like to comment on any of that or anything else that
You prefer to elaborate upon first?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Let Me first address your concerns about
possibly unfavorable reactions that some readers might have, or that the
couple in question might have (if they were ever to read it), following the
reading of the One Hundred and Eighth Dialog. After that we can talk
about the mutually inappropriate treatment that still happens amongst
you; and following that we’ll address the questions from Slovakia.
Your concerns, Peter, as related to the content of the previous Dialog,
stem from your noble desire to treat everyone with the utmost kindness,
consideration, love and acceptance. As you remember, one of the
members of your spiritual family represents some very important
spiritual and personal traits with which you are totally identified and
which you want to make the major ruling force of your life. They are,
among other things: loving kindness, gentleness, tenderness, tolerance,
appreciation, respect, consideration and acceptance of everyone the way
they are, without hurting anyone, without judging anyone, without
condemning anyone, without rejecting anyone, without bad-mouthing
anyone, without expecting anything from anyone and without writing off
anyone. So, based on these exquisite traits, you are afraid that some
readers may get hurt or respond to that Dialog by being wounded by its
content.
However, don’t disregard the feedback that you have already received so
far from four people who have had an opportunity to read that Dialog
(people who have E-mail — Heather Oudal, Ardyth Norem, Dan Barba
and Alice Good). They gave you very positive and supportive feedback. It
had appropriate and positive impact on them. Do remember please, if you
truly love someone, you want that person to be spiritually, mentally,
physically, and in all other respects, in the best possible shape or
condition. The wisdom of your love, and the truth of your objectivity,
justice and righteousness, stir you toward bringing to those individuals’
attention, if something exists in their lives, attitudes, behaviors, ideas, or
whatever they have, which endangers that shape or condition. Yes, you
may tell yourself that the individuals in question don’t see that they are
in any way endangered by anything, and especially by their ideas,
attitude, behavior and lifestyle. They may tell you that the opposite is
true: They are in perfect, or at least in a most reasonable spiritual,
mental, physical and any other condition and shape; and therefore, they
don’t need anything from you.
But this is the very point of our discourse, Peter: If someone is of such an
opinion about themselves and, yet, the reality of their situation, as it is
behind the scene, is totally different, you need to bring it to their
attention in order to rectify that situation. Whether they accept it or not,
would no longer be your concern. It would be their own responsibility and
a matter of their own choice to accept it, and subsequently to amend
their ways or to reject it, and subsequently to continue a life of
distortions and falsities. The love of your wisdom and the wisdom of your
love want nothing but the best for all concerned. Their duty and
responsibility in this respect is to bring to the attention of all involved if
something is wrong. This is especially true if you consider someone to be
what they are not. In that case, as mentioned in the previous Dialog, you
would hold to the untruth of the matter, thus, giving the greatest
possible opportunity to the forces of the negative state to influence you so
that they could keep you in the clutches of the negative state. After all, if
you hold to and accept something to be true but it is not, no matter who
or what it is, you are under the influence of the negative state. And
because you know so very well, that it is very unhealthy for your
spiritual, mental, physical, and any other type of well-being — or that it
could be even deadly — to be under the influence of the negative state,
you want nothing more than to bring this fact to their attention, so that
they could be healed. Again, whether they take the means of the offered
treatment or not, it is no longer your responsibility. You have discharged
the duty of your love and wisdom. The rest is up to them.
If someone is comfortable the way they are, regardless of how spiritually,
mentally or physically ill they might be, it only means that they love
their negative condition. Do you remember from several statements
which we made before about the need to love the negative state if the
negative state could be activated and could illustrate and manifest the
nature of its pseudo-life at all? How else could anything contained in the
nature of the negative state, with all its atrocities and abominations,
come to its adverse fruition if someone would not love it? It had already
been Swedenborg who correctly proclaimed that life of everyone is in
his/her love. If the negative state were to be what it was supposed to be,
someone would have had to make it the love of his/her life. Otherwise,
nothing of the negative state could have ever come to its activation and
actualization.
If you carefully analyze some humans’ lives on planet Zero, or if you
could have an opportunity to analyze the pseudo-life of any of the
renegades or their minions, you would be very much surprised to find
that they wallow in their pseudo-life. They love it more than anything
else. This is how the pseudo-life of the negative state is being
maintained. And not only that, but they see it as the only positive life
possible at all. Well, if you have a terminal condition, but you consider
that condition to be normal, healthy and the only possible one, you would
have no other desire but to continue being in that condition. In order to
get you out of it, and to institute a reasonable cure for it, someone of
authority would have to bring to your attention that your so-called love is
killing you. At the same time, you bring to their attention the means for
its cure and for replacement of that false love, with love of something
which is truly healthy and most lovable — the positive state. Now, they
have a choice in the matter. And this is what our previous Dialog was all
about.
So, if you see someone seemingly very positive, very comfortable, very
happy, very content, very loving, having no outward problems being in
human life for example, and if that person has never experienced what it
is to be in human skin, like someone who came from the positive state
does, does it really mean that such a person is truly positive, coming
from the positive state? Or is she/he that way because he/she loves that
type of the negative life or human life? Only someone who comes
originally from the negative state, for the purpose of reinforcing the
human life and its lovability, can end up loving this human life above all
and above everything. Such a person will appear being constantly happy,
positive, comfortable, content and without any apparent problems. And
not only that, but such a person will most certainly tell you that this
human life and everything involved in it, came likewise from God. So, in
that sense, there is no difference between what is positive and what is
negative. In essence, it is all the same.
Do you remember, Peter, what it was that you were told one day by one
member of the couple in question about this situation? And how that
member tried to twist the meaning of the words said when it was
realized that the true identity of that member was being uncovered so
that this identity would remain hidden? Of course, it was too late for that
to remain hidden because the words were already said. The words were
exactly in the spirit of what we have just said above: “It is all the same —
positive or negative. There is no difference.” When your tremendous
shock was registered by the author of those words, she tried very hard to
cover it up by some incoherent justification and rationalization which
would make you believe that she didn’t really mean it that way. Oh, yes,
they were meant exactly that way.
Or take, for example, the male side of that couple. Do your remember
how you, Wilfred and Dan were questioning the wisdom of his behavior
when you were standing in front of the music store in New York where
the male in question was frantically spending several hundreds of
dollars, given to him by the TNR Foundation for his translation, on a
questionable type of music (modern rock)? Or how many years it had
taken him to complete the translation as compared to other translators of
My New Revelation? What do you think was the purpose of those
procrastinations and meaningless justifications and excuses why it was
taking him so long to do that if there were no objective reasons for that
type of behavior?
Those were all very vivid signs of their true identities, which you didn’t
want to accept because you didn’t want to hurt or accuse them of
anything. And how painful was it for you to do that after all when you
saw that there was no ending of manipulations and using you and the
funds of the TNR Foundation? Well, if those things, as well as many
others of similar nature, weren’t telling you the truth of the matter,
nothing else would. However, this is not the issue. The issue is to get out
of seeing things as they were played out on the scene and not behind the
scene. And the true reality behind the scene was revealed in the previous
Dialog. Also, the issue is, and we repeat this, to give them, as well as
everyone involved at that time, the opportunity to come around and to
see all those happenings in the right light so that they could make
appropriate amendments and corrections in this respect. We are offering
this opportunity to all involved because we love them and we care for
them and we would like them to be with us and to utilize their precious
energies in our cause.
Now, Peter, do you see the reason why it was necessary to deal with this
issue, so painful for you?
Peter: Oh, intellectually, logically and rationally I perfectly understand
this reason but emotionally, at the bottom of my heart, I still feel
miserable for everything that happened at that time; for my many
failures to heed my intuition; for my many stupid, foolish and dumb
things that I did, wrote, or said; or for the present need to revive this
issue. I am coping with those feelings as well as I can, but I’ll need time,
perhaps, a lot of time to overcome them and to be at peace for all of that
and more.
The Lord Jesus Christ: And you’ll have that time. I can assure you of
that. And now let us address the issue of mutual treatment, especially of
men to women and women to men, as it sometimes occurs amongst the
readers and practitioners of My New Revelation. As you are aware, that
treatment is not always in accordance with the principles of being My
true representatives. Does it mean that those who, from time to time,
succumb to the need to treat someone in such a negative manner as
enumerated at the beginning of this Dialog, are not truly My
representatives but only appear to be such? Not necessarily.
Do you remember from the previous Dialog a statement made that the
renegades also did their own experimentation and testing in order to
imitate the pseudo-creators but with a totally different agenda on their
mind? Well, whereas the pseudo-creators abandoned their effort in this
respect, after they got the answers they needed, the renegades continued
in their effort further down the line, and decided to extend
experimentation for an unspecified time. They have been continuing in
their effort with the hope that they would see some results in accordance
with their own purpose in mind.
Again, the target of their effort is the most devious but also the most
promising one. The issue in their mind is to maintain, and if possible to
deepen, a continuous split and animosity that has existed in some way or
other from the fabrication of humans, between men and women, women
and men, and masculinity and femininity and femininity and
masculinity. They have one considerable advantage in this respect. As
you know, in their genetic makeup, men have an inborn tendency, from
the position of their typical human nature, to look upon women as
somewhat inferior creatures who are needed only for sex and taking care
of their children and households. On the other hand, women were
originally genetically endowed above all and above everything with
feelings of mothering, taking care of their children and related matters.
With such a setup, it is not as difficult as it seems to stir up some conflict
between the two genders and to maintain that proverbial split which
made it possible for the negative state to be activated.
How does it apply to the men and women in question, who are supposed
to be My representatives? The renegades are targeting the human
aspects of their nature. As you remember from some of the previous
Dialogs, it was mentioned there that the human aspects of your nature
will be the strongest target of the renegades in order to get to you, to
harass you and trigger your typical genetic endowment as related to your
inborn attitude toward women or men, respectively. For many men it is
especially difficult to see women as equal or even in some cases, superior
to men. For many women it is difficult to see themselves as being equal
or even superior to some men. These difficulties are being utilized by the
renegades to considerably complicate your life and to influence your
attitude toward and treatment of each other. Whenever it is possible,
whenever some circumstance arises to trigger that type of attitude, based
on that original endowment, the renegades do that, placing you in a
position of your human nature from which you react. In such situations,
you temporarily forget that you are not supposed to relate from the
position of your typical human nature but from My original endowment
in you. The more you are prone to succumb to such negative behavior,
the more difficult it is for you to switch to the behavior which would be in
accordance with being My true representatives.
There is a tremendous spiritual danger for you in this type of typical
human behavior. As you are falling back more and more on your human
nature, you become more and more a slave of the renegades and you’ll
lose your position as being My representative, even without knowing or
noticing that this is what is happening to you. At one point in time, as
you are behaving more and more like a typical human or
a representative of the negative state, it will be more and more difficult
for you to behave in any other way. In that moment you will succumb to
the negative state until the negative state is either eliminated or you’ll
wake up from your human nightmare, induced into you by your foolish
behavior, and you’ll come back to the positive state. However, each such
coming back, by the nature of habitual negative behavior patterns, will
be more and more difficult and more and more painful. When you are
used to behaving in a certain way, that behavior becomes embedded into
your brain path to such an extent that you don’t even think it is possible
to behave in any other way. Overcoming such negative behavior
patterns, very often, is equal to or is worse than overcoming addiction to
or dependence on heroin, alcohol, tobacco and similar chemical
substances. This is the reason why we are saying that the more you are
embedded into your negative behavior, the more difficult it will be for
you to relinquish that type of behavior. This is the mentioned spiritual
danger.
I can assure you that the renegades are making an all-out effort to
induce you into that type of behavior in order to make you develop
dependence on and addiction to behaving like that. This is the reason
why they target your genetic endowment which came from the very
original setup during the fabrication of the human race. They are very
well aware that this is the most sensitive and vulnerable aspect of your
human nature.
The problem with humans in general is that by the accomplished split
and separation of masculinity from femininity and femininity from
masculinity, within each gender its polar characteristics were not only
suppressed but, in many instances, one becomes ashamed of having
them. As you know, it is a well-known fact that each man contains within
himself both masculine and feminine characteristics, with one being
preferred and emphasized over the other; and each woman contains
within herself both feminine and masculine characteristics, with one
being preferred and emphasized over the other. When you are a man, you
want to behave as a man is expected to behave. When you are a woman,
you want to behave as a woman is expected to behave. There is a
considerable degree of identification of each gender with these social,
moral, religious, personal and various other expectations. Such
expectations reinforce the need to behave in accordance with being a man
or a woman.
In order to circumvent this accursed situation on planet Zero, as My
representatives, you need to change your attitude, both toward the
aspects of your own masculinity and femininity or femininity and
masculinity and, at the very same time, toward your own spouses,
friends and other individuals who are not of the same gender as you are.
How do you do that? And this question brings us to one of the questions
that you received this morning, Peter. One of those questions has a direct
relevance to the issues discussed here. Before continuing, I would like
you, Peter, to translate those questions into English and formulate them
next.
Peter: Very well, here they go: (The questions came from Joseph
Grygar): How do You, Lord Jesus Christ, function within Your own
Absoluteness; for example, when You are considering our questions?
What a question! What is Your attitude toward or relationship to Your
own Self? Could You say something about the self-relatedness of us
relative beings and toward others as well as toward You? We understand
that there is an absolute necessity of integral oneness or unity of
masculine and feminine principles within each sentient entity. Despite
that, it is felt that, at least here on planet Zero, Your women tend to act
more from the position of love and Your men more from the position of
wisdom. In that case, under the presently existing conditions, what is the
best and most appropriate way to introduce into the life of men the
feminine aspects and into the life of women the masculine aspects?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Let Me begin with the answer to the last
question because it directly relates to the topic discussed above. How do
you equalize, unify, integrate and incorporate feminine and masculine
aspects, respectively, within yourself? Or, at least, how do you go about
not overlooking that you have such aspects within yourself? Of course, as
you know, as long as you live on planet Zero in your human skin, the full
integration, unification and incorporation of their respective aspects
within each individual is not quite possible. This is the way your human
body was made and this is the way you have to live out your life on this
planet. However, their equalization within your mind is very much
possible. Because, as you know, everything in human life is externalized
and projected in an outward behavior toward someone or something,
your self-attitude in this respect, has to be projected into the way you
relate, treat, consider, think, feel and behave toward women if you are a
man or toward men if you are a woman.
If you, in your attitude and behavior toward women are arrogant, rude,
inconsiderate, rejective, belittling, putting down, degrading, nasty,
sarcastic, looking at them with contempt, considering them less valuable,
or having any other such negative expressions, then by the same token,
your attitude toward your own femininity within you is exactly the same.
By the mode of such behavior and feeling you reject your femininity. On
the other hand, if you treat women with the utmost consideration,
respect, equality, love, kindness, gentleness, understanding, acceptance
and similar positive characteristics, you treat your own femininity the
same way. In that case, by the process of such external outward
treatment of other women, you prepare the way for the integration and
unification of your femininity with your masculinity so that they will
reflect the condition which exists in the positive state. By doing that, you
defy the split and separation imposed on you by your genetic endowment
fabricated for that purpose by the activators of the negative state.
And the same thing is true for women and their own masculine aspects.
The way they treat men externally, reflects the treatment of their own
internal masculinity. In learning to treat each other in a positive
manner, as outlined above, no matter under what conditions, you defy
any attempts of the renegades to utilize your negative genetic
endowment for keeping you in bondage to the negative aspects of your
human nature and thus, making you their slave.
I can assure you that under the presently existing conditions on your
planet, no other way exists to circumvent this situation. The way you
treat each other determines the way you treat yourself as well, which
brings us to answering the second question about how you relate to your
own self. From a purely spiritual standpoint, it is impossible to relate to
yourself in any other way but how you relate to others, no matter who
they are. So, in essence, the same thing applies to your own self-
treatment as it was indicated above in relationship to others. It is
impossible for you, no matter what you say or feel, to truly love others, if
you hate or don’t love yourself as well. It is impossible to respect others,
if you have no respect for yourself, etc. It is impossible to love Me or
respect Me, if you don’t exhibit the same feelings and emotions toward
yourself and others. If you hate yourself, ultimately you hate Me within
yourself or My presence within you and, at the same time, you hate
everyone else. As mentioned many times before, it is impossible for you
to relate from any other position but only from yourself. You don’t have
any other position or platform. Logically speaking, if this is the only
position that you have, that position, and what it contains, will
determine how you will treat others and Me in you and in others.
What do you think My Self-relatedness is like in My Absolute State? This
is in response to the first question: In My Absolute State I Love Myself
Absolutely. If I were not to love Myself in an absolute sense, I could not
love anyone else. In that case, I could never create anyone or anything.
But, also, as this is the most crucial fact, I wouldn’t exist at all. I am
Absolute Love and Absolute Wisdom. The factors of their absoluteness
determine the nature and content of My Self-behavior, Self-treatment
and behavior toward and treatment of all in My Creation and pseudo-
creation.
Of course, the way I function in My Absoluteness, cannot be
comprehended, even remotely, by any means by any relative sentient
mind. The only thing that can be said about it, is that I always
unceasingly function from the position, and only from the position of
My Absolute Love and Absolute Wisdom. There is no other state or
condition from which I could or would function. Therefore, whenever I
consider your questions, their consideration is always from the position
of My Absolute Love and Absolute Wisdom. If those questions are of
multiversal significance, and the answers to which could be beneficial to
all in My Creation and pseudo-creation, and if these answers are of such
a nature that they can be comprehended by any relative sentient mind,
they stir within Me tremendous delight and pleasure, giving Me a great
opportunity to provide you with something new and useful. Believe me, I
love to do that.
And this is what it is all about: Treat yourself and each other as I treat
Myself and all in My Creation and pseudo-creation. If you do that, you’ll
begin to intuitively discern what it is to be Absolute. The secret of this
discernment is in such self-treatment and treatment of each other. You
all have predispositions to do that. I personally endowed you with such
an ability. But you have to overcome your habitual tendency to treat each
other from the position of the negative aspects of your human nature.
At this point, Peter, I would stop right here and close our discussion for
today. Have a nice day and don’t be miserable.
Peter: Thank You very much for sharing with us all these beautiful
ideas.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 2.
